[VBbuilders] Google Voice discovered allowing pure VoIP calls???

[Michel Bauwens]

I remain unconvinced of a consumers-only ownership modality, again, all
stakeholders should have a stake, all peers, not just consuming peers

there is an interesting proposal, called 'liberal communism', which sees
society as consisting of enterprises that are co-owned by their workers
(49.9%) and their clients (50.1); that would pass my ethical test,

since this is an ethical and principled issue, no functional explanation can
convince me, it's really on the level of human rights or say, the abolition
of slavery,

that does not mean I impunge your motives, or that your proposal is not
functionally sound,

outside of coercion though, even if you are successfull, it will just be one
of the options people can choose, and that it how it should be,

if this type of consumer coop turns out to be successfull, more people would
choose it (of course, this can only happen in a truly free society, so this
is quite hypothetical, and political transformations will be needed before
such type of free experimentation can occur)

Michel

On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 10:39 AM, Patrick Anderson <agnucius at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 7:07 PM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > there are different kinds of coops, and Patrick's vision is 'consumers'
> > only, which in a way makes the producers in the coop 'owned' by the
> > consumers ... I find this problematic and prefer multiple stakeholder
> models
>
> There is no reason to worry about the workers - for that is who I am
> protecting, but am protecting their ability to consume instead of
> trying to prop-up wages and avoid automation.
>
> Wishing the machines would just stop (as John Henry) will become less
> and less of an option as the robots are coming to take the work away -
> and we can be *happy* about that if we are working on the right side
> of the equation!
>
> Furthermore, even without robots, wages and profit will approach zero
> as the Means of Production become cheaper, since there will be no way
> to stop willing workers from accessing those tools and thereby
> providing the solutions consumers seek.
>



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