[VBbuilders] Why and how work together?

Mon Apr 19 21:43:26 CEST 2010

I see here Andrius exposing his thoughts openly. BUT I see that can be seen
as divisive and argumentative by some. I think that this call for
communities working together is actually a reflection of what we want in
real life.

Luckily I have a community where at times I can play a leadership rôle and
at others a supporting rôle. Pispala is good that way with solidarity a part
of how we are. I urge any of you to come and spend some time here with
projects I can help you find and you can see how that culture works.

Annette is doing this right now.

Markus

On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 10:33 PM, <ms at ms.lt> wrote:

> I'm glad for Franz Nahrada's and other letters at Global Villages
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/globalvillages/ in response to the closing
> down of the free-of-charge Ning services and what we might do next.
>
> I wish that:
> * We organize around people who have demonstrated successful leadership as
> networkers working openly, whether its Suresh Fernando (Open Kollab),
> Tiffany Von Emmel (Dreamfish), myself (Minciu Sodas), Michel Bauwens (P2P
> Foundation), etc.   And actually double check what has been successful.
> So, for example, our Pyramid of Peace http://www.pyramidofpeace.net was
> undeniably successful.  Franz Nahrada is a key person at Minciu Sodas, but
> not a "hub" for "working openly", rather a person who destructively
> "compartmentalizes" activity, which is to say, works in a closed,
> untransparent manner.  Sam Rose is less of a "hub" and Alex Rollins even
> less so.  How can we make progress if we don't acknowledge merit?
> * We organize around social goals - for example, I'm interested in an
> "economy of dreams".  Suresh (and Janet Feldman!) is interested in how to
> organize millions of people to tackle big problems like world poverty.
> Tiffany Von Emmel is interested in a new kind of work cooperative.
> Whereas Franz was interested in Ning and Sam is interested in Elgg and
> Alex in Drupal.  I think that's backwards and unhelpful.
> * Let's organize around existing groups.  Tiffany already has an Elgg site
> running at http://dreamfish.com  Why do we need more Elgg sites?  Or why
> can't we build around existing ones in a more general way?  Why can't we
> build on existing software teams like Dreamfish's?  Why couldn't we build
> a team for Minciu Sodas, there was such need? I was very disturbed when
> Franz walked away from years of free service I provided - without any
> consultation - just set up a new server with Ralf - and what has he
> gained?  Or pays 3,000 EUR per year to closed version of ProWiki, why?
> Why aren't we trying to share resources? (And thank you to Franz for
> sharing in many other ways, I recently stayed 6 weeks with him in Vienna.)
> * Let's look at technologies and see if there's any examples that actually
> encourage us.  I can't think of a single Drupal website that impresses me
> as a community.  Nor a Ning or Elgg site for that matter.  Certainly none
> as strong as the Minciu Sodas community, which isn't all that strong.
> * What are our personal goals, values, questions, concerns,
> accountability, etc.?  Why are we wasting time with people who offer
> "help" when we have no idea of their own dreams, values, endeavors, quests
> nor they of ours?  That's why I believe it's important to start with a
> cultural commitment as I'm trying to with "12 Questions"
> http://www.12questions.org
> * Let's make a technology strategy that can support a culture.  In a
> Facebook/Twitter world it's no longer possible to develop a culture
> through venues, there's no reason for people to be loyal to an online
> space.  So the cultural commitment has to be I imagine a cultural code but
> not a set of venues.
>
> I'm very troubled that leadership is offered without credibility, and that
> people like myself who have demonstrated credibility are not supported.
> How can we have a meaningful network then?
>
> Andrius
>
> Andrius Kulikauskas
> Minciu Sodas
> http://www.ms.lt
> ms at ms.lt
> +370 699 30003
>
>
> > I agree with Michel and Alex on what Michel talks about below. We can
> > discuss and plan first, then choose tools and build together. Makes
> > sense to me.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 11:31 AM, Michel Bauwens
> > <michelsub2004 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> I'm personally a least effort guy, but that mostly because I'm
> >> overextended
> >> myself,
> >>
> >> the first thing is asking ourselves, but what it is for?
> >>
> >> as i said, the social features and threading were the added value, but
> >> otherwise, the Ning site underperformed, and I was the only one taking
> >> care
> >> of admin tasks (but thanks to sepp especially for his forum articles
> >> which
> >> attracteda lot of discussion)
> >>
> >> personally, I won't necessarily miss Ning that much, but of course,
> >> would be
> >> happy for others to really build the p2p foundation as a movement,
> >>
> >> this is what is appealing in alex' proposals, to devise a 3-year
> >> strategy
> >> for movement building and funding,
> >>
> >> I'm of course really for it, but it is beyond my individual effort,
> >>
> >> what I'm doing with Sam, through civicCRM is devising a mailing list of
> >> our
> >> sympathizers, for some more specialized outreach purposes
> >>
> >> Michel
> >>
> >> On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 7:35 PM, Samuel Rose <samuel.rose at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 2:17 AM, Michel Bauwens
> >>> <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>> > Hi Franz,
> >>> >
> >>> > if you want to know what the p2p network is trying to find as
> >>> solutions,
> >>> > you
> >>> > can talk to Sam, who had some proposals for us, and we're working on
> >>> > them,
> >>> >
> >>> > Michel
> >>> >
> >>> My suggestion was that we can use ELGG http://elgg.org/ as a
> >>> replacement for Ning
> >>>
> >>> There's currently lots of discussion, offers and ideas at
> >>> p2presearch at listcultures.org as well, mostly centered around Drupal.
> >>> Drupal's great, but I still stick by my suggestion and offer of ELGG
> >>> as the best 1 to 1 replacement for Ning, requiring the least amount of
> >>> effort.
> >>> --
> >>> --
> >>> Sam Rose
> >>> Forward Foundation
> >>> Tel:+1(517) 639-1552
> >>> Cel: +1-(517)-974-6451
> >>> skype: samuelrose
> >>> email: samuel.rose at gmail.com
> >>> http://forwardfound.org
> >>> http://socialsynergyweb.org/culturing
> >>> http://flowsbook.panarchy.com/
> >>> http://socialmediaclassroom.com
> >>> http://localfoodsystems.org
> >>> http://notanemployee.net
> >>> http://communitywiki.org
> >>> http://p2pfoundation.net
> >>>
> >>> "The universe is not required to be in perfect harmony with human
> >>> ambition." - Carl Sagan
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Work: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhurakij_Pundit_University - Think
> >> thank:
> >> http://www.asianforesightinstitute.org/index.php/eng/The-AFI
> >>
> >> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net  -
> >> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
> >>
> >> Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss:
> >> http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/p2presearch_listcultures.org
> >>
> >> Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens;
> >> http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > --
> > Sam Rose
> > Forward Foundation
> > Tel:+1(517) 639-1552
> > Cel: +1-(517)-974-6451
> > skype: samuelrose
> > email: samuel.rose at gmail.com
> > http://forwardfound.org
> > http://socialsynergyweb.org/culturing
> > http://flowsbook.panarchy.com/
> > http://socialmediaclassroom.com
> > http://localfoodsystems.org
> > http://notanemployee.net
> > http://communitywiki.org
> > http://p2pfoundation.net
> >
> > "The universe is not required to be in perfect harmony with human
> > ambition." - Carl Sagan
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