From S.D.Thompson at tees.ac.uk Mon Oct 4 15:17:43 2010 From: S.D.Thompson at tees.ac.uk (Thompson, Steve) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 14:17:43 +0100 Subject: [VBbuilders] Tools and Techniques In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hello, Sorry about anyone trying to log on to our script conference last week. I had planned to use Ustream and had a chat open as well as using typewithme.com to have an open collaborative document. At least the collaborative script got used. http://typewith.me/PSOJP6mMQA On the day the wireless connection at the venue was not up to it happening. However I like Ustream. We planned to just use a webcam. I like simple cost effective solutions. I'm interested to try out different ways of doing these things particularly to support distance learning as well as cultural exchanges. Do we have a comparative list or matrix of the various tools - perhaps on dorf wiki or elsewhere. Is it worth some experimentation to evaluate different methods. I know this will have been done many times but not by me and I like first hand experience. Cheers, Steve T -- Steve Thompson Community Media Manager Institute of Digital Innovation Teesside University M - 07795 826953 E - s.d.thompson at tees.ac.uk W - www.steve-thompson.org.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From f.nahrada at reflex.at Mon Oct 4 17:42:53 2010 From: f.nahrada at reflex.at (Franz Nahrada) Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 17:42:53 +0200 Subject: [VBbuilders] Tools and Techniques In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Steve, everyone! I agree it would be good to start a comparative Matrix of Tools and In would be honored if we can do it on Dorfwiki. I think we could cover several categories of products in One Matrix * Video Dialogue * Visual Support for Collaborative Work on PCs * Mass Streaming tools with Chat * High Level Videobridging Environments to reach diverse targets (groups in a room with projection, TVs at home) For the first step we might look whats out there I did some first look around http://www.megameeting.com/web-conferencing-chart.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_web_conferencing_software http://www.ucop.edu/irc/services/documents/conftools_compchrt.pdf (facility specific with few option, but very infomative) but the absolute winner is our friend Robin Good in Rome http://www.masternewmedia.org/best-video-conferencing-tools-free-low-cost-one-to-one-and-multi-party-solutions-mini-guide/ I think that we should co-operate with him and work from this base Franz From S.D.Thompson at tees.ac.uk Tue Oct 5 10:03:10 2010 From: S.D.Thompson at tees.ac.uk (Thompson, Steve) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 09:03:10 +0100 Subject: [VBbuilders] Tools and Techniques In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hello Franz and All Yes, Dorfwiki then. I'm OK with that and since no one else has spoken up that's proposed and seconded ! Where on Dorf Wiki do we begin. How do we begin? The Robin Good list looks very ... well er ... Good - Franz My own interests are in grass roots applications, simple and effective and preferably free. I'm interested in applying this to distance learning, cultural exchanges and organisational meetings. I started thinking about the tools again for a couple of reasons: a project I'm putting together where some distance support would be useful. Secondly I'm a director of the UK Community Media Association. We meet every three months and with the board coming from all over the UK the travel costs are horrendous. In these financial times savings must be found. The only drawback is that most online conferences are spent shouting "Can you hear me, your lips are moving but I can't hear you". Steve T On 04/10/2010 16:42, "Franz Nahrada" wrote: Hello Steve, everyone! I agree it would be good to start a comparative Matrix of Tools and In would be honored if we can do it on Dorfwiki. I think we could cover several categories of products in One Matrix * Video Dialogue * Visual Support for Collaborative Work on PCs * Mass Streaming tools with Chat * High Level Videobridging Environments to reach diverse targets (groups in a room with projection, TVs at home) For the first step we might look whats out there I did some first look around http://www.megameeting.com/web-conferencing-chart.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_web_conferencing_software http://www.ucop.edu/irc/services/documents/conftools_compchrt.pdf (facility specific with few option, but very infomative) but the absolute winner is our friend Robin Good in Rome http://www.masternewmedia.org/best-video-conferencing-tools-free-low-cost-one-to-one-and-multi-party-solutions-mini-guide/ I think that we should co-operate with him and work from this base Franz _______________________________________________ Videobridgebuilders mailing list Videobridgebuilders at globalvillages.org http://globalvillages.org/mailman/listinfo/videobridgebuilders -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From f.nahrada at reflex.at Tue Oct 5 10:13:46 2010 From: f.nahrada at reflex.at (Franz Nahrada) Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 10:13:46 +0200 Subject: [VBbuilders] Tools and Techniques In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Thompson, Steve" schreibt: >Yes, Dorfwiki then. I?m OK with that and since no one else has spoken up >that?s proposed and seconded ! > >Where on Dorf Wiki do we begin. How do we begin? I made a modest beginning http://www.dorfwiki.org/wiki.cgi?VideoBridge/Tools Metadata works well in Prowiki.... all the best Franz From ravenwyn at gmail.com Tue Oct 5 11:13:46 2010 From: ravenwyn at gmail.com (Mark Petz) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 12:13:46 +0300 Subject: [VBbuilders] Tools and Techniques In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Franz and Steve and The Silent Majority I am glad some evaluation is being done. Although at the moment I feel that there are so many aspects its confusing for people - especially if they want free software. I note that most people seem to just drift to Google Docs (NB Google Wave) and Skype and if the features are not there then they just say oh well let's wait for them, (much in the way that people used to say if it was not available for Windows they wouldn't use it - and then when it's available they say how wonderful it is this new piece of Microsoft software!) So they are not videobridging capable. For me I want to see 2 locations successfully using VideoBridging and then they can be providers as a pattern language for the others to copy. TO my mind these can be Tamera (in Portugal - a research ecovillage) and (p2p Foundation (in Thailand) as they seem to have the necessary connections to reach the idea wider and are supportive of the village and community elements we want. They also crucially have meaningful content and the media skills to share it. Other locations are also good but these 2 places have the idea of sharing built into them and are not overly dependent on just one person with a money making remit (so they are good potentials for strong centres). Other places have been good it's true - but they don't share so widely. Markus On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Franz Nahrada wrote: > "Thompson, Steve" schreibt: > >Yes, Dorfwiki then. I?m OK with that and since no one else has spoken up > >that?s proposed and seconded ! > > > >Where on Dorf Wiki do we begin. How do we begin? > > > > I made a modest beginning > > http://www.dorfwiki.org/wiki.cgi?VideoBridge/Tools > > Metadata works well in Prowiki.... > > all the best > > Franz > > _______________________________________________ > Videobridgebuilders mailing list > Videobridgebuilders at globalvillages.org > http://globalvillages.org/mailman/listinfo/videobridgebuilders > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From S.D.Thompson at tees.ac.uk Tue Oct 5 13:14:47 2010 From: S.D.Thompson at tees.ac.uk (Thompson, Steve) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 12:14:47 +0100 Subject: [VBbuilders] Tools and Techniques In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Personally I want to try out tools and test their fitness for purpose. Skype does a lot now with added functionality such as desktop sharing. I designed a T Shirt with my Grandaughter 200 miles away using this remembering to quit desktop sharing as I entered my credit card to order it. Steve T On 05/10/2010 10:13, "Mark Petz" wrote: Hi Franz and Steve and The Silent Majority I am glad some evaluation is being done. Although at the moment I feel that there are so many aspects its confusing for people - especially if they want free software. I note that most people seem to just drift to Google Docs (NB Google Wave) and Skype and if the features are not there then they just say oh well let's wait for them, (much in the way that people used to say if it was not available for Windows they wouldn't use it - and then when it's available they say how wonderful it is this new piece of Microsoft software!) So they are not videobridging capable. For me I want to see 2 locations successfully using VideoBridging and then they can be providers as a pattern language for the others to copy. TO my mind these can be Tamera (in Portugal - a research ecovillage) and (p2p Foundation (in Thailand) as they seem to have the necessary connections to reach the idea wider and are supportive of the village and community elements we want. They also crucially have meaningful content and the media skills to share it. Other locations are also good but these 2 places have the idea of sharing built into them and are not overly dependent on just one person with a money making remit (so they are good potentials for strong centres). Other places have been good it's true - but they don't share so widely. Markus On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Franz Nahrada wrote: "Thompson, Steve" schreibt: >Yes, Dorfwiki then. I'm OK with that and since no one else has spoken up >that's proposed and seconded ! > >Where on Dorf Wiki do we begin. How do we begin? I made a modest beginning http://www.dorfwiki.org/wiki.cgi?VideoBridge/Tools Metadata works well in Prowiki.... all the best Franz _______________________________________________ Videobridgebuilders mailing list Videobridgebuilders at globalvillages.org http://globalvillages.org/mailman/listinfo/videobridgebuilders -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I think we simply need to take a closer look at alternatives, and here is now a place to report on them. > > >For me I want to see 2 locations successfully using VideoBridging and >then they can be providers as a pattern language for the others to copy. I am waiting for this for a long time. Kirchbach is now still in economic turmoil, and still there is no match. We have 8 locations here in Austria who have formulated their intent. Keep your fingers crossed > >TO my mind these can be Tamera (in Portugal - a research ecovillage) and >(p2p Foundation (in Thailand) as they seem to have the necessary >connections to reach the idea wider and are supportive of the village and >community elements we want. They also crucially have meaningful content >and the media skills to share it. I talked about this with Bori Kovats in Tamera, and with Peter Koll. It seems the issue is still Internet speed. They do not really have very much to talk to each other. But I would appreciate a "dayly Michel" (p2p) from Chaing Mai, like the blog. Maybe a video version of the blog. > > >Other locations are also good but these 2 places have the idea of sharing >built into them and are not overly dependent on just one person with a >money making remit (so they are good potentials for strong centres). >Other places have been good it's true - but they don't share so widely. Its of course difficult to tell sharing from propaganda (ahem!) Franz > From office at annette-leeb.de Tue Oct 5 11:01:16 2010 From: office at annette-leeb.de (Annette Leeb) Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 11:01:16 +0200 Subject: [VBbuilders] Tools and Techniques In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4CAAE95C.30908@annette-leeb.de> Hi Franz, hi Steve, I myself have some experience with Adobe Connect as webconferencing tool. It's not free ware, but as somebody with an email address of a german university I am privileged to get a free account on DFN :-) , which is indeed a very comfortable service offer - Deutsches Forschungsnetzwerk. As far as I understand it, it's only for german member institutions (for them it's realy very easy to use it), but may be I am wrong, and may be they know more about international (or English) networks offering similar opportunities. If it's of any interest I could ask at the main office in Berlin. Or you try it yourself, here are some of the relevant links for DFN web- and video-conferencing services https://www.vc.dfn.de/en/web-conferencing.html https://www.vc.dfn.de/nc/en/video-conferencing.html German contact details https://www.vc.dfn.de/kontakt.html Best greetings, A. > "Thompson, Steve" schreibt: > >> Yes, Dorfwiki then. I?m OK with that and since no one else has spoken up >> that?s proposed and seconded ! >> >> Where on Dorf Wiki do we begin. How do we begin? >> > > > > I made a modest beginning > > http://www.dorfwiki.org/wiki.cgi?VideoBridge/Tools > > Metadata works well in Prowiki.... > > all the best > > Franz > > _______________________________________________ > Videobridgebuilders mailing list > Videobridgebuilders at globalvillages.org > http://globalvillages.org/mailman/listinfo/videobridgebuilders > -- Annette Leeb Organisationsberatung, Coaching, eLearning +49 30 444 61 68 office at annette-leeb.de www.annette-leeb.de From uzupis.fafministry at gmail.com Tue Oct 5 12:17:57 2010 From: uzupis.fafministry at gmail.com (Tomasz Czepaitis) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 13:17:57 +0300 Subject: [VBbuilders] Uzhupis Republic looking for contacts in Global Village Message-ID: Dear Villagers, i am looking for contacts with the Global Villages around the world for mutual projects, help, etc. from the name of the Uzhupis Republic - an independent state in the city of Vilnius, Lithuania, known as an artistic republic, protected by the Angel (his statue is on our main square), with it's own Consitution, Anthem, Flag, Calendar, President and the cabinet of ministers. Uzhupis has a spirit of Village or Suburb, it is a part of an Old Town, but had always separate mentality and lifstyle. Our economics are based on creative industries, and main product is artefacts (paintings, sculptures, souvenirs, architectural projects, litearature, theatre and so on). would be glad to hear from you, learn more about you and establish diplomatic relations:) -- Sincerely, Tomas ?epaitis UZh foreign affairs minister -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From f.nahrada at reflex.at Tue Oct 5 17:49:29 2010 From: f.nahrada at reflex.at (Franz Nahrada) Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 17:49:29 +0200 Subject: [VBbuilders] Tools and Techniques (Mark) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Thompson, Steve" schreibt: >Just looking at the Wiki Franz > >does Skype only do desktop Sharing on the Mac? - (I have a Windows and a >Linux partition on my mac now.) I just copied the information over, have no idea. Please also talk to these guys: http://transitioninaction.com/group/skypeusergroup Les Squires is extremely Skype Savvy - he calls himself "the Pied Skyper" we are working side by side to spread the Transition Movement online. > > >Maybe our first tool for testing should be skype since it?s almost >ubiquitous. What are it?s limitations and what can be done. > OK, but I think this research mainly has to happen *off - list* because traffic is already very high. It would be good to issue invitations to dedicated "field trials" here. Results then can be noted in the Wiki, even on subpages (thats what fractal wikis are for) like: http://www.dorfwiki.org/wiki.cgi?VideoBridge/Tools/Skype/TrialLog (or similar) and you could regularly report here and motivate people to pitch in. iMPORTANT: Remember Sasha Mrkailo from Serbia did a lot of research for us: http://www.dorfwiki.org/wiki.cgi?VideoBridge/MyVideoStory (Impressive Number of Subpages - good use of Vida table - waste of Wiki space because it would be good to use those subpages for reflection and own ideas) Thats mostly Skype usages - If we had thoroughly looked through them and made proper use of the material we would have spent the whole workshop week with them ;-) - this is material still waiting for evaluation and application. We could have identified patterns here. To hell with my overambitious planning resulting the group now being so worn out and dispersed. Franz From office at annette-leeb.de Tue Oct 5 17:54:05 2010 From: office at annette-leeb.de (Annette Leeb) Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 17:54:05 +0200 Subject: [VBbuilders] Tools and Techniques (Mark) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4CAB4A1D.9030601@annette-leeb.de> I use Skype desktop sharing on my ordinary Windows, no problem; but as on any operating system only between two particiapants, in a bilateral mode, so it's not helpful if you want to work with a group Greetings, A. > "Thompson, Steve" schreibt: > >> Just looking at the Wiki Franz >> >> does Skype only do desktop Sharing on the Mac? - (I have a Windows and a >> Linux partition on my mac now.) >> > > I just copied the information over, have no idea. > > Please also talk to these guys: > http://transitioninaction.com/group/skypeusergroup > > Les Squires is extremely Skype Savvy - he calls himself "the Pied Skyper" > > we are working side by side to spread the Transition Movement online. > >> Maybe our first tool for testing should be skype since it?s almost >> ubiquitous. What are it?s limitations and what can be done. >> >> > OK, but I think this research mainly has to happen *off - list* because > traffic is already very high. > > It would be good to issue invitations to dedicated "field trials" here. > > Results then can be noted in the Wiki, even on subpages (thats what > fractal wikis are for) > > like: http://www.dorfwiki.org/wiki.cgi?VideoBridge/Tools/Skype/TrialLog > (or similar) > > and you could regularly report here and motivate people to pitch in. > > iMPORTANT: Remember Sasha Mrkailo from Serbia did a lot of research for > us: http://www.dorfwiki.org/wiki.cgi?VideoBridge/MyVideoStory > > (Impressive Number of Subpages - good use of Vida table - waste of Wiki > space because it would be good to use those subpages for reflection and > own ideas) > > Thats mostly Skype usages - If we had thoroughly looked through them and > made proper use of the material we would have spent the whole workshop > week with them ;-) - this is material still waiting for evaluation and > application. We could have identified patterns here. To hell with my > overambitious planning resulting the group now being so worn out and > dispersed. > > > Franz > > _______________________________________________ > Videobridgebuilders mailing list > Videobridgebuilders at globalvillages.org > http://globalvillages.org/mailman/listinfo/videobridgebuilders > -- Annette Leeb Organisationsberatung, Coaching, eLearning +49 30 444 61 68 office at annette-leeb.de www.annette-leeb.de From S.D.Thompson at tees.ac.uk Tue Oct 5 18:53:29 2010 From: S.D.Thompson at tees.ac.uk (Thompson, Steve) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 17:53:29 +0100 Subject: [VBbuilders] Tools and Techniques (Annette) In-Reply-To: <4CAB4A1D.9030601@annette-leeb.de> Message-ID: >>I use Skype desktop sharing on my ordinary Windows, no problem; but as on any operating system only between two particiapants, in a bilateral Good example to have email discussion as well as wiki data. This corrects the info on the wiki Franz if you want to keep traffic low for those perhaps not so interested shall we perhaps have a google list for those wishing to actively take part and report back to the main list now and then. Write up and findings go on the Wiki. Steve T Greetings, A. > "Thompson, Steve" schreibt: > >> Just looking at the Wiki Franz >> >> does Skype only do desktop Sharing on the Mac? - (I have a Windows and a >> Linux partition on my mac now.) >> > > I just copied the information over, have no idea. > > Please also talk to these guys: > http://transitioninaction.com/group/skypeusergroup > > Les Squires is extremely Skype Savvy - he calls himself "the Pied Skyper" > > we are working side by side to spread the Transition Movement online. > >> Maybe our first tool for testing should be skype since it's almost >> ubiquitous. What are it's limitations and what can be done. >> >> > OK, but I think this research mainly has to happen *off - list* because > traffic is already very high. > > It would be good to issue invitations to dedicated "field trials" here. > > Results then can be noted in the Wiki, even on subpages (thats what > fractal wikis are for) > > like: http://www.dorfwiki.org/wiki.cgi?VideoBridge/Tools/Skype/TrialLog > (or similar) > > and you could regularly report here and motivate people to pitch in. > > iMPORTANT: Remember Sasha Mrkailo from Serbia did a lot of research for > us: http://www.dorfwiki.org/wiki.cgi?VideoBridge/MyVideoStory > > (Impressive Number of Subpages - good use of Vida table - waste of Wiki > space because it would be good to use those subpages for reflection and > own ideas) > > Thats mostly Skype usages - If we had thoroughly looked through them and > made proper use of the material we would have spent the whole workshop > week with them ;-) - this is material still waiting for evaluation and > application. We could have identified patterns here. To hell with my > overambitious planning resulting the group now being so worn out and > dispersed. > > > Franz > > _______________________________________________ > Videobridgebuilders mailing list > Videobridgebuilders at globalvillages.org > http://globalvillages.org/mailman/listinfo/videobridgebuilders > -- Annette Leeb Organisationsberatung, Coaching, eLearning +49 30 444 61 68 office at annette-leeb.de www.annette-leeb.de -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Please contact us if you are interested in an offer of a Web server or cloud turnkey solution. @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ ----- Messaggio inoltrato ----- Da: Juan Quemada A: tf-media at terena.org Cc: Juan Quemada Inviato: Lun 13 settembre 2010, 13:24:21 Oggetto: [tf-media] Global Plaza Workshop Dear all, Thanks to all for your participation and questions which were great. We had near to 40 persons connected and the chat server reached overflow. We were not aware that the limit was 30 and have already removed this limitation. For those who have asked, the recordings can be found in the same URL of the e-Meeting Room: The meeting room access is: >>http://globalplaza.org/spaces/tf-media/events/global-plaza-workshop-2 Those meetings help us a lot to make the Global plaza more usable. Thanks and regards Juan -- Prof. Juan Quemada ETSI Telecomunicacion Av. Complutense 30 28040, Madrid, Spain jquemada at dit.upm.es tf: +34 913367331 ________________________________ Da: Annette Leeb A: Franz Nahrada Cc: Videobridgebuilders at globalvillages.org; S.D.Thompson at tees.ac.uk Inviato: Mar 5 ottobre 2010, 17:54:05 Oggetto: Re: [VBbuilders] Tools and Techniques (Mark) I use Skype desktop sharing on my ordinary Windows, no problem; but as on any operating system only between two particiapants, in a bilateral mode, so it's not helpful if you want to work with a group Greetings, A. > "Thompson, Steve" schreibt: > >> Just looking at the Wiki Franz >> >> does Skype only do desktop Sharing on the Mac? - (I have a Windows and a >> Linux partition on my mac now.) >> > > I just copied the information over, have no idea. > > Please also talk to these guys: > http://transitioninaction.com/group/skypeusergroup > > Les Squires is extremely Skype Savvy - he calls himself "the Pied Skyper" > > we are working side by side to spread the Transition Movement online. > >> Maybe our first tool for testing should be skype since it?s almost >> ubiquitous. What are it?s limitations and what can be done. >> >> > OK, but I think this research mainly has to happen *off - list* because > traffic is already very high. > > It would be good to issue invitations to dedicated "field trials" here. > > Results then can be noted in the Wiki, even on subpages (thats what > fractal wikis are for) > > like: http://www.dorfwiki.org/wiki.cgi?VideoBridge/Tools/Skype/TrialLog > (or similar) > > and you could regularly report here and motivate people to pitch in. > > iMPORTANT: Remember Sasha Mrkailo from Serbia did a lot of research for > us: http://www.dorfwiki.org/wiki.cgi?VideoBridge/MyVideoStory > > (Impressive Number of Subpages - good use of Vida table - waste of Wiki > space because it would be good to use those subpages for reflection and > own ideas) > > Thats mostly Skype usages - If we had thoroughly looked through them and > made proper use of the material we would have spent the whole workshop > week with them ;-) - this is material still waiting for evaluation and > application. We could have identified patterns here. To hell with my > overambitious planning resulting the group now being so worn out and > dispersed. > > > Franz > > _______________________________________________ > Videobridgebuilders mailing list > Videobridgebuilders at globalvillages.org > http://globalvillages.org/mailman/listinfo/videobridgebuilders > -- Annette Leeb Organisationsberatung, Coaching, eLearning +49 30 444 61 68 office at annette-leeb.de www.annette-leeb.de _______________________________________________ Videobridgebuilders mailing list Videobridgebuilders at globalvillages.org http://globalvillages.org/mailman/listinfo/videobridgebuilders -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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LINKs: [ http://www.globalplaza.org/test ]http://www.globalplaza.org/test [ http://www.globalplaza.org ]http://www.globalplaza.org [ http://www.agora-2000.com ]http://www.agora-2000.com [ http://globalplaza.org/spaces/tf-media/events/global-plaza-workshop-2 ]http://globalplaza.org/spaces/tf-media/events/global-plaza-workshop-2 Servers and Cloud Solutions Agora offers an integrated cloud solution where Isabel is integrated into a socio-collaborative Web site which is known as the Global Plaza, which provides an integral support to perform or disseminate events in the Internet. A running [ http://globalplaza.org/ ]Global Plaza is freely available to you. It enables to access third party events, as well as to perform your own events, i.e. to manage invitations, registrations and remote participation, to stream and record events, or to publish recorded events as social media to be reused by you or by third parties. Resources [ http://www.agora-2000.com/products/isabel/downloads.html ]Download the Ubuntu live image of Isabel to create your Isabel VC platforms. Follow [ http://isabel.dit.upm.es/mediawiki/index.php/Isabel_v5_Quick_Guide ]Isabelv5 Quick Guide for installation and use. In addition to the executable [ http://www.agora-2000.com/products/isabel/downloads.html ]Ubuntu live image of Isabel, the Isabel software is distributed as [ http://isabel.morfeo-project.org/ ]open software with GPL Affero license. Isabel is offered as a service in the cloud in the [ http://globalplaza.org/ ]Global Plaza. The Global Plaza source code will be distributed soon with the GPL Affero license. A Global Plaza can be delivered in standard or tailored solutions and platforms for technology enhanced learning, eClass-rooms, eMeeting-rooms, collaboration at work, videoconferencing, Webinars, distributed congresses, social media or networks. Please [ mailto:agora-2000 at agora-2000.com ]contact us if you are interested in an offer of a Web server or cloud turnkey solution. @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ ----- Messaggio inoltrato ----- Da: Juan Quemada <[ mailto:jquemada at dit.upm.es ]jquemada at dit.upm.es> A: [ mailto:tf-media at terena.org ]tf-media at terena.org Cc: Juan Quemada <[ mailto:jquemada at dit.upm.es ]jquemada at dit.upm.es> Inviato: Lun 13 settembre 2010, 13:24:21 Oggetto: [tf-media] Global Plaza Workshop Dear all, Thanks to all for your participation and questions which were great. We had near to 40 persons connected and the chat server reached overflow. We were not aware that the limit was 30 and have already removed this limitation. For those who have asked, the recordings can be found in the same URL of the e-Meeting Room: The meeting room access is: [ http://globalplaza.org/spaces/tf-media/events/global-plaza-workshop-2 ]http://globalplaza.org/spaces/tf-media/events/global-plaza-workshop-2 Those meetings help us a lot to make the Global plaza more usable. Thanks and regards Juan -- Prof. Juan Quemada ETSI Telecomunicacion Av. Complutense 30 28040, Madrid, Spain [ mailto:jquemada at dit.upm.es ]jquemada at dit.upm.es tf: +34 913367331 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Da: Annette Leeb <[ mailto:office at annette-leeb.de ]office at annette-leeb.de> A: Franz Nahrada <[ mailto:f.nahrada at reflex.at ]f.nahrada at reflex.at> Cc: [ mailto:Videobridgebuilders at globalvillages.org ]Videobridgebuilders at globalvillages.org; [ mailto:S.D.Thompson at tees.ac.uk ]S.D.Thompson at tees.ac.uk Inviato: Mar 5 ottobre 2010, 17:54:05 Oggetto: Re: [VBbuilders] Tools and Techniques (Mark) I use Skype desktop sharing on my ordinary Windows, no problem; but as on any operating system only between two particiapants, in a bilateral mode, so it's not helpful if you want to work with a group Greetings, A. > "Thompson, Steve" <[ mailto:S.D.Thompson at tees.ac.uk ]S.D.Thompson at tees.ac.uk> schreibt: > >> Just looking at the Wiki Franz >> >> does Skype only do desktop Sharing on the Mac? - (I have a Windows and a >> Linux partition on my mac now.) >> > > I just copied the information over, have no idea. > > Please also talk to these guys: > [ http://transitioninaction.com/group/skypeusergroup ]http://transitioninaction.com/group/skypeusergroup > > Les Squires is extremely Skype Savvy - he calls himself "the Pied Skyper" > > we are working side by side to spread the Transition Movement online. > >> Maybe our first tool for testing should be skype since it?s almost >> ubiquitous. What are it?s limitations and what can be done. >> >> > OK, but I think this research mainly has to happen *off - list* because > traffic is already very high. > > It would be good to issue invitations to dedicated "field trials" here. > > Results then can be noted in the Wiki, even on subpages (thats what > fractal wikis are for) > > like: [ http://www.dorfwiki.org/wiki.cgi?VideoBridge/Tools/Skype/TrialLog ]http://www.dorfwiki.org/wiki.cgi?VideoBridge/Tools/Skype/TrialLog > (or similar) > > and you could regularly report here and motivate people to pitch in. > > iMPORTANT: Remember Sasha Mrkailo from Serbia did a lot of research for > us: [ http://www.dorfwiki.org/wiki.cgi?VideoBridge/MyVideoStory ]http://www.dorfwiki.org/wiki.cgi?VideoBridge/MyVideoStory > > (Impressive Number of Subpages - good use of Vida table - waste of Wiki > space because it would be good to use those subpages for reflection and > own ideas) > > Thats mostly Skype usages - If we had thoroughly looked through them and > made proper use of the material we would have spent the whole workshop > week with them ;-) - this is material still waiting for evaluation and > application. We could have identified patterns here. To hell with my > overambitious planning resulting the group now being so worn out and > dispersed. > > > Franz > > _______________________________________________ > Videobridgebuilders mailing list > [ mailto:Videobridgebuilders at globalvillages.org ]Videobridgebuilders at globalvillages.org > [ http://globalvillages.org/mailman/listinfo/videobridgebuilders ]http://globalvillages.org/mailman/listinfo/videobridgebuilders > -- Annette Leeb Organisationsberatung, Coaching, eLearning +49 30 444 61 68 [ mailto:office at annette-leeb.de ]office at annette-leeb.de [ http://www.annette-leeb.de ]www.annette-leeb.de _______________________________________________ Videobridgebuilders mailing list [ mailto:Videobridgebuilders at globalvillages.org ]Videobridgebuilders at globalvillages.org [ http://globalvillages.org/mailman/listinfo/videobridgebuilders ]http://globalvillages.org/mailman/listinfo/videobridgebuilders -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Please mind that the new beta Version of Skype on Windows is breaking exactly that barrier. ----- Giuseppe: Thanks for alerting us to GLOBAL. I cannot believe what I see, I was part of the early beginnings of Center for Social Innovation here in Vienna in the Nineties. http://www.global-project.eu/ I will talk to them to see if we can join forces and use the infrastructure. Normally I am quite sceptical if our home-brew tools and infrastructures meet our requirements. But this feels very promising. Especially the GPL - afero license is a good thing! I joined there and created a group: http://globalplaza.org/p#url=/spaces/videobridge lets test it! They even come with a mailing list. Franz From S.D.Thompson at tees.ac.uk Tue Oct 5 21:05:22 2010 From: S.D.Thompson at tees.ac.uk (Thompson, Steve) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 20:05:22 +0100 Subject: [VBbuilders] [T&T] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ok prefix - how about [T&T] On 05/10/2010 20:00, "Franz Nahrada" wrote: "Thompson, Steve" schreibt: > >Franz if you want to keep traffic low for those perhaps not so interested >shall we perhaps have a google list for those wishing to actively take >part and report back to the main list now and then. Write up and findings >go on the Wiki. As long as people are not actively protesting, we could try to go on. Maybe a prefix in the subject header would do. >>>I use Skype desktop sharing on my ordinary Windows, no problem; but as >on any operating system only between two particiapants, in a bilateral (Annette) > > >Good example to have email discussion as well as wiki data. This >corrects the info on the wiki (Steve) yes. 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URL: From ravenwyn at gmail.com Tue Oct 5 21:12:21 2010 From: ravenwyn at gmail.com (Mark Petz) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 22:12:21 +0300 Subject: [VBbuilders] Tools and Techniques (Mark) In-Reply-To: References: <549416.32521.qm@web25601.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Phil and all. Its funny how we all spark up! Just a point of info for you all. 2011 is going to be the EU-ropean Year of Volunteering. http://www.eyv2011.eu/ I am working on a project with Citizens of Europe http://panorama.citizens-of-europe.eu/ for this and we plan something in Landau in der Pfalz while there I learnt that there is a small amount of money ( a few millions only) that every Nation will have to spend on volunteer related projects to do with the year. You might think to apply for it. markus On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 8:29 PM, Phil Turner wrote: > *Hello Giuseppe* > > *and the non-silent and silent friends.* > > *Very interested to see the dialogue.* > > *Good wishes to all* > > *Please note my new email address:* > *p.turner at semantise.com* > > > > > > *Phil* > > *---* > *Giuseppe Silvi <**giuseppesilvi at yahoo.it* *> > writes:* > Dear all, > > > recently I've seen a demo and I invite you to check if the globalplaza.org's > services fit your needs ... > > > Greetings, G. > > > *LINKs:* > http://www.globalplaza.org/test > http://www.globalplaza.org > http://www.agora-2000.com > http://globalplaza.org/spaces/tf-media/events/global-plaza-workshop-2 > > > > *Servers and Cloud Solutions* > > > Agora offers an integrated cloud solution where Isabel is integrated into a > socio-collaborative Web site which is known as the *Global Plaza*, which > provides an integral support to perform or disseminate events in the > Internet. > > A running *Global Plaza* is freely available to > you. It enables to access third party events, as well as to perform your own > events, i.e. to manage invitations, registrations and remote participation, > to stream and record events, or to publish recorded events as social media > to be reused by you or by third parties. > > > *Resources* > > > *Download the Ubuntu live image of Isabel* to > create your Isabel VC platforms. Follow *Isabelv5 Quick Guide* for > installation and use. > > In addition to the executable *Ubuntu live image of Isabel*, > the Isabel software is distributed as *open software with GPL Affero > license* . > > Isabel is offered as a service in the cloud in the *Global Plaza*. > The Global Plaza source code will be distributed soon with the GPL Affero > license. > > > > > A *Global Plaza* can be delivered in standard or tailored solutions and > platforms for technology enhanced learning, eClass-rooms, eMeeting-rooms, > collaboration at work, videoconferencing, Webinars, distributed congresses, > social media or networks. > > Please *contact us* if you are interested in > an offer of a Web server or cloud turnkey solution. > > > > > *@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@* > > > *----- Messaggio inoltrato -----* > *Da: Juan Quemada <**jquemada at dit.upm.es* *>* > *A: **tf-media at terena.org* > *Cc: Juan Quemada <**jquemada at dit.upm.es* *>* > *Inviato: Lun 13 settembre 2010, 13:24:21* > *Oggetto: [tf-media] Global Plaza Workshop* > > Dear all, > > > Thanks to all for your participation and questions which were great. We had > near to 40 persons connected and the chat server reached overflow. We were > not aware that the limit was 30 and have already removed this limitation. > > > For those who have asked, the recordings can be found in the same URL of > the e-Meeting Room: > > > > > > > > The meeting room access is: > http://globalplaza.org/spaces/tf-media/events/global-plaza-workshop-2 > > > > > Those meetings help us a lot to make the Global plaza more usable. > > > Thanks and regards > > > Juan > -- > Prof. Juan Quemada > ETSI Telecomunicacion > Av. Complutense 30 > 28040, Madrid, Spain > jquemada at dit.upm.es > tf: +34 913367331 > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > *Da:* Annette Leeb > *A:* Franz Nahrada > *Cc:* Videobridgebuilders at globalvillages.org; S.D.Thompson at tees.ac.uk > *Inviato:* Mar 5 ottobre 2010, 17:54:05 > *Oggetto:* Re: [VBbuilders] Tools and Techniques (Mark) > > I use Skype desktop sharing on my ordinary Windows, no problem; but as > on any operating system only between two particiapants, in a bilateral > mode, so it's not helpful if you want to work with a group > > Greetings, A. > > > > "Thompson, Steve" schreibt: > > > >> Just looking at the Wiki Franz > >> > >> does Skype only do desktop Sharing on the Mac? - (I have a Windows and a > >> Linux partition on my mac now.) > >> > > > > I just copied the information over, have no idea. > > > > Please also talk to these guys: > > http://transitioninaction.com/group/skypeusergroup > > > > Les Squires is extremely Skype Savvy - he calls himself "the Pied Skyper" > > > > we are working side by side to spread the Transition Movement online. > > > >> Maybe our first tool for testing should be skype since it?s almost > >> ubiquitous. What are it?s limitations and what can be done. > >> > >> > > OK, but I think this research mainly has to happen *off - list* because > > traffic is already very high. > > > > It would be good to issue invitations to dedicated "field trials" here. > > > > Results then can be noted in the Wiki, even on subpages (thats what > > fractal wikis are for) > > > > like: http://www.dorfwiki.org/wiki.cgi?VideoBridge/Tools/Skype/TrialLog > > (or similar) > > > > and you could regularly report here and motivate people to pitch in. > > > > iMPORTANT: Remember Sasha Mrkailo from Serbia did a lot of research for > > us: http://www.dorfwiki.org/wiki.cgi?VideoBridge/MyVideoStory > > > > (Impressive Number of Subpages - good use of Vida table - waste of Wiki > > space because it would be good to use those subpages for reflection and > > own ideas) > > > > Thats mostly Skype usages - If we had thoroughly looked through them and > > made proper use of the material we would have spent the whole workshop > > week with them ;-) - this is material still waiting for evaluation and > > application. 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I added Flashmeeting - it is also an interesting option from Open University UK http://www.dorfwiki.org/wiki.cgi?VideoBridge/Tools/FlashMeeting Franz From S.D.Thompson at tees.ac.uk Tue Oct 5 22:48:51 2010 From: S.D.Thompson at tees.ac.uk (Thompson, Steve) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 21:48:51 +0100 Subject: [VBbuilders] [T&T] Flash Meeting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I have an account on flash meeting and I like it but the last time I tried to introduce it to people they didn't like it. I liked how it qued people up to talk in turn. I'll add this experience On 05/10/2010 21:25, "Franz Nahrada" wrote: "Thompson, Steve" schreibt: >Ok prefix - how about [T&T] thats looks professional ;-) does it stand for Testing and Tinkering ? ;-) anyway. the testers base is still small, maybe others will be sparked, too. You can always copy the most meaningful results from the email conversation to the wiki pages then. 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I?ll add this experience >> >> >> >> >> On 05/10/2010 21:25, "Franz Nahrada" wrote: >> >> "Thompson, Steve" schreibt: >> >> >>> Ok prefix ? how about [T&T] >>> >> thats looks professional ;-) does it stand for Testing and Tinkering ? >> ;-) >> >> anyway. the testers base is still small, maybe others will be sparked, too. >> >> You can always copy the most meaningful results from the email >> conversation to the wiki pages then. >> >> I added Flashmeeting - it is also an interesting option from Open >> University UK >> >> http://www.dorfwiki.org/wiki.cgi?VideoBridge/Tools/FlashMeeting >> >> Franz >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Videobridgebuilders mailing list >> Videobridgebuilders at globalvillages.org >> http://globalvillages.org/mailman/listinfo/videobridgebuilders >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Videobridgebuilders mailing list > Videobridgebuilders at globalvillages.org > http://globalvillages.org/mailman/listinfo/videobridgebuilders > -- Annette Leeb Organisationsberatung, Coaching, eLearning +49 30 444 61 68 office at annette-leeb.de www.annette-leeb.de From S.D.Thompson at tees.ac.uk Wed Oct 6 19:03:25 2010 From: S.D.Thompson at tees.ac.uk (Thompson, Steve) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 18:03:25 +0100 Subject: [VBbuilders] [T&T] Flash Meeting In-Reply-To: <4CAC9D65.9020408@annette-leeb.de> Message-ID: I have an account whereby I can set up meetings. I have that because I was doing work with OU. I have forgotten my password and who to contact. I will try to remember these things Steve T On 06/10/2010 17:01, "Annette Leeb" wrote: Hi Steve, Marc, what kind of account fo fm do you have, a "booker" or a "sign in"? And to get a booker account, do you know the criterias for it? Greetings, A. > looks good here shows a pic: > > http://fm.ea-tel.eu/about.html > > I was just looking at > > http://www.conftool.net/ > > for real presence meetings. > > m > > On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 11:48 PM, Thompson, Steve wrote: > > >> I have an account on flash meeting and I like it but the last time I >> tried to introduce it to people they didn't like it. I liked how it qued >> people up to talk in turn. I'll add this experience >> >> >> >> >> On 05/10/2010 21:25, "Franz Nahrada" wrote: >> >> "Thompson, Steve" schreibt: >> >> >>> Ok prefix - how about [T&T] >>> >> thats looks professional ;-) does it stand for Testing and Tinkering ? >> ;-) >> >> anyway. the testers base is still small, maybe others will be sparked, too. >> >> You can always copy the most meaningful results from the email >> conversation to the wiki pages then. >> >> I added Flashmeeting - it is also an interesting option from Open >> University UK >> >> http://www.dorfwiki.org/wiki.cgi?VideoBridge/Tools/FlashMeeting >> >> Franz >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Videobridgebuilders mailing list >> Videobridgebuilders at globalvillages.org >> http://globalvillages.org/mailman/listinfo/videobridgebuilders >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Videobridgebuilders mailing list > Videobridgebuilders at globalvillages.org > http://globalvillages.org/mailman/listinfo/videobridgebuilders > -- Annette Leeb Organisationsberatung, Coaching, eLearning +49 30 444 61 68 office at annette-leeb.de www.annette-leeb.de -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From marina-kollatou at hotmail.com Fri Oct 8 07:32:58 2010 From: marina-kollatou at hotmail.com (marina kollatou) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 08:32:58 +0300 Subject: [VBbuilders] HELLO In-Reply-To: References: <549416.32521.qm@web25601.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>, , Message-ID: hi Mark, Steve and all very active all of you I see and that's great! I'm afraid I've lost track... too many propositions on the table... can someone explain... please!!! I'm glad every time I see mails from you all but what I don't understand is how all these fantastic things each of you engage in can match. Anyway either they do or not it's really precious that there is this network, something may be born as a common project. As for me I am in MINOT in North Dacota USA in the middle of nowhere in a hotel built inside a huge mall. "At the moment I'm having hands on experience of the interactive TV. iT'S REAL FUN. I'm writing my mails on the Tv screen and this is cool." this is a tweet. The program I take part in is very interesting and concerns the ESL /EFL, the multicultural communities of today (the States being the example in this program) challenges and pilot implementation ofcertain proposed solutions. talk to you again good luck with your projects Mark and Steve. regards MARINA From: ravenwyn at gmail.com Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 22:12:21 +0300 To: p.turner at semantise.com CC: Videobridgebuilders at globalvillages.org Subject: Re: [VBbuilders] Tools and Techniques (Mark) Hi Phil and all. Its funny how we all spark up! Just a point of info for you all. 2011 is going to be the EU-ropean Year of Volunteering. http://www.eyv2011.eu/ I am working on a project with Citizens of Europe http://panorama.citizens-of-europe.eu/ for this and we plan something in Landau in der Pfalz while there I learnt that there is a small amount of money ( a few millions only) that every Nation will have to spend on volunteer related projects to do with the year. 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Complutense 30 28040, Madrid, Spain jquemada at dit.upm.es tf: +34 913367331 Da: Annette Leeb A: Franz Nahrada Cc: Videobridgebuilders at globalvillages.org; S.D.Thompson at tees.ac.uk Inviato: Mar 5 ottobre 2010, 17:54:05 Oggetto: Re: [VBbuilders] Tools and Techniques (Mark) I use Skype desktop sharing on my ordinary Windows, no problem; but as on any operating system only between two particiapants, in a bilateral mode, so it's not helpful if you want to work with a group Greetings, A. > "Thompson, Steve" schreibt: > >> Just looking at the Wiki Franz >> >> does Skype only do desktop Sharing on the Mac? - (I have a Windows and a >> Linux partition on my mac now.) >> > > I just copied the information over, have no idea. > > Please also talk to these guys: > http://transitioninaction.com/group/skypeusergroup > > Les Squires is extremely Skype Savvy - he calls himself "the Pied Skyper" > > we are working side by side to spread the Transition Movement online. > >> Maybe our first tool for testing should be skype since it?s almost >> ubiquitous. What are it?s limitations and what can be done. >> >> > OK, but I think this research mainly has to happen *off - list* because > traffic is already very high. > > It would be good to issue invitations to dedicated "field trials" here. > > Results then can be noted in the Wiki, even on subpages (thats what > fractal wikis are for) > > like: http://www.dorfwiki.org/wiki.cgi?VideoBridge/Tools/Skype/TrialLog > (or similar) > > and you could regularly report here and motivate people to pitch in. > > iMPORTANT: Remember Sasha Mrkailo from Serbia did a lot of research for > us: http://www.dorfwiki.org/wiki.cgi?VideoBridge/MyVideoStory > > (Impressive Number of Subpages - good use of Vida table - waste of Wiki > space because it would be good to use those subpages for reflection and > own ideas) > > Thats mostly Skype usages - If we had thoroughly looked through them and > made proper use of the material we would have spent the whole workshop > week with them ;-) - this is material still waiting for evaluation and > application. We could have identified patterns here. 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URL: From S.D.Thompson at tees.ac.uk Sat Oct 9 09:23:27 2010 From: S.D.Thompson at tees.ac.uk (Thompson, Steve) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2010 08:23:27 +0100 Subject: [VBbuilders] Community Heritage and History Network Message-ID: Hello, I've just added a project to the CIRN Knowledge Wiki. http://cirn.wikispaces.com/Community+Heritage+and+History+Network This project does not yet exist but it has passed the pre-app stage and I'll be lodging a bid in the next week or so to run it. I mention it now as I'm interested to hook up with communities that share a heritage connection with the communities I propose to work with, namely: shipbuilding, steel working ironstone and coal mining. Cheers, Steve T -- Steve Thompson Community Media Manager Institute of Digital Innovation Teesside University M - 07795 826953 E - s.d.thompson at tees.ac.uk W - www.steve-thompson.org.uk From S.D.Thompson at tees.ac.uk Wed Oct 13 23:18:51 2010 From: S.D.Thompson at tees.ac.uk (Thompson, Steve) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 22:18:51 +0100 Subject: [VBbuilders] Elluminate Message-ID: I got a free account http://www.learncentral.org/user/vroomreg Vroom allows 3 people to be in conference Might be useful - a 50 seat conference facility is available at a price ST From ravenwyn at gmail.com Fri Oct 15 07:10:52 2010 From: ravenwyn at gmail.com (Mark Petz) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 08:10:52 +0300 Subject: [VBbuilders] i think that is amazing news Message-ID: as I just posted on the streaming sharing learning group! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From S.D.Thompson at tees.ac.uk Fri Oct 15 10:12:58 2010 From: S.D.Thompson at tees.ac.uk (Thompson, Steve) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 09:12:58 +0100 Subject: [VBbuilders] i think that is amazing news In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <91B61ED273D46E4589DA358ABD11872D0106BC60A47E@HOLLYCLUSTER.windows.tees.ac.uk> Mark I have no idea what your amazing news is. It's not in this email and I've not seen it in any other. ST ________________________________ From: videobridgebuilders-bounces at globalvillages.org [videobridgebuilders-bounces at globalvillages.org] On Behalf Of Mark Petz [ravenwyn at gmail.com] Sent: 15 October 2010 06:10 To: videobridgebuilders at globalvillages.org Subject: [VBbuilders] i think that is amazing news as I just posted on the streaming sharing learning group! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From f.nahrada at reflex.at Fri Oct 15 13:37:38 2010 From: f.nahrada at reflex.at (Franz Nahrada) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 13:37:38 +0200 Subject: [VBbuilders] i think that is amazing news In-Reply-To: <91B61ED273D46E4589DA358ABD11872D0106BC60A47E@HOLLYCLUSTER.windows.tees.ac.uk> References: <91B61ED273D46E4589DA358ABD11872D0106BC60A47E@HOLLYCLUSTER.windows.tees.ac.uk> Message-ID: "Thompson, Steve" schreibt: >Mark >? >I have no idea what your amazing news is. It's not in this email and I've >not seen it in any other. >? >ST Mark referred to his facebook post about the Facebook - Skype deal. http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=172593001758 From ravenwyn at gmail.com Wed Oct 20 00:26:07 2010 From: ravenwyn at gmail.com (Mark Petz) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 01:26:07 +0300 Subject: [VBbuilders] i think that is amazing news In-Reply-To: References: <91B61ED273D46E4589DA358ABD11872D0106BC60A47E@HOLLYCLUSTER.windows.tees.ac.uk> Message-ID: yep I *did. *I don't see many (any?? one else) posting there. I wonder is it useful to even keep using it? If it is useful please let me know and I will continue to post stuff - IF NOT I will stop. m On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 2:37 PM, Franz Nahrada wrote: > "Thompson, Steve" schreibt: > > >Mark > > > >I have no idea what your amazing news is. It's not in this email and I've > >not seen it in any other. > > > >ST > > > Mark referred to his facebook post about the Facebook - Skype deal. > http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=172593001758 > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From S.D.Thompson at tees.ac.uk Wed Oct 20 00:36:32 2010 From: S.D.Thompson at tees.ac.uk (Thompson, Steve) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 23:36:32 +0100 Subject: [VBbuilders] Communication In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I think there's a bigger issue here Mark. In electronic communication there are so many opportunities for misunderstanding that I think we need to develop a protocol where our messages are very clear, (with explanations) devoid of superfluous stuff and unnecessary clutter from previous messages deleted. Email and facebook etc are fine for simple chatter but if we want to make a serious point we have to be careful. ST On 19/10/2010 23:26, "Mark Petz" wrote: yep I did. I don't see many (any?? one else) posting there. I wonder is it useful to even keep using it? If it is useful please let me know and I will continue to post stuff - IF NOT I will stop. m On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 2:37 PM, Franz Nahrada wrote: "Thompson, Steve" schreibt: >Mark > >I have no idea what your amazing news is. It's not in this email and I've >not seen it in any other. > >ST Mark referred to his facebook post about the Facebook - Skype deal. http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=172593001758 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From f.nahrada at reflex.at Wed Oct 20 00:36:58 2010 From: f.nahrada at reflex.at (Franz Nahrada) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 00:36:58 +0200 Subject: [VBbuilders] i think that is amazing news In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mark Petz writes: >yep I did. I don't see many (any?? one else) posting there. I wonder is >it useful to even keep using it? >If it is useful please let me know and I will continue to post stuff - IF >NOT I will stop. > >m Of course it is useful. Some exciting people have subscribed there recently. look at the latest post http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=172593001758 It reminds me of the re occupation of the Auditorium Maximum in Vienna university last night here in Austria. Tens of thousands of students active again. As in October 2009. In Wintertime there were hardly a handful left. When the movement is hot, everybody is present. Otherwise, everybody is lurking. except a few who are always active. Thank you Mark for your commitment to keep our community alive. I am sure it will wake up soon again. all the best Franz From ravenwyn at gmail.com Thu Oct 21 20:17:59 2010 From: ravenwyn at gmail.com (Mark Petz) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 21:17:59 +0300 Subject: [VBbuilders] Fwd: Meet founders of Tamera-SolarVillage at Bioneers-Europe Conference in Findhorn ! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: maybe of interest - don't know if they plan some kind of webcast / webinaire - would be nice if so, so that those of us not coming for ecological reasons can still see what happens at the meetings. markus ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Causes > Date: 2010/10/21 Subject: Meet founders of Tamera-SolarVillage at Bioneers-Europe Conference in Findhorn ! To: Markus Petz [image: Causes] Bulletin from the cause: *Friends of "Solar Power Village"* Go to Cause Posted By: Peter Koll To: Members in Friends of "Solar Power Village" Meet founders of Tamera-SolarVillage at Bioneers-Europe Conference in Findhorn ! Bioneers Conference: From 30 October to 2 November, this important environmental conference will be held in Europe for the first time, in the Findhorn Community, Scotland. Barbara Kovats and Bernd Mueller will speak about the ecological model Tamera. More: http://www.findhorn.org/programmes/programme412.php. "No conference on Earth celebrates more fully the possibilities of creating a world that is conducive to life; Bioneers is central to the re-imagination of what it means to be human." Paul Hawken, author of bestseller Blessed Unrest . >From the invitation : The Findhorn Foundation and Findhorn College are delighted to be hosting the dynamic Bioneers movement from North America in their first major European conference. The Bioneers movement unites all those committed to finding practical solutions that can be employed now, empowering us to live on the Earth in ways that honour the web of life. We invite you to join us and be refreshed by the 'good news' stories of cutting edge developments in social and environmental sustainability. Meet pioneering world leaders in their fields and explore with them innovative and holistic approaches that support the wellbeing of all life. "It?s all alive. It?s all connected. It?s all intelligent? " Enjoy also the review of the Eco-congress "Green Phoenix Rising" which took place end of September, also with participants from Tamera and the SolarVillage : Creating Models for a New Earth - Action - Healing - Collaboration http://www.tamera.org/index.php?id=741&L=0 And, last but not least, for those who won?t join the Bioneers-Conference - a slight hint to read and to spread the information about the new book : Tamera - A Model for the Future by Leila Dregger : http://www.verlag-meiga.org/node/229. Hope that I could nourish your curiousity, all the best, Peter Koll Tamera Team Team SolarVillage Call to Action Spread the word. Every invitation counts: Invite Friends You are receiving this email because you are a member of the cause Friends of "Solar Power Village". To unsubscribe, leave the cause Causes Privacy Policy| Causes Address: 2105 Martin Luther King Jr Way, Berkeley, CA 94704 United States Tip: Add no-reply at causes.com to your address book to make sure you don't miss any opportunities to change the world. --- Diese E-Mail wurde von Causes gesendet. Du kannst E-Mails hier sperren . -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From S.D.Thompson at tees.ac.uk Thu Oct 21 20:41:02 2010 From: S.D.Thompson at tees.ac.uk (Thompson, Steve) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 19:41:02 +0100 Subject: [VBbuilders] Distance Learning In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'm at a conference in Italy next week and I plan to try to teach a regular wednesday class back in Saltburn using Skype hooked up to a projector and screen. We'll see how it goes. Steve T -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ravenwyn at gmail.com Mon Oct 25 12:02:15 2010 From: ravenwyn at gmail.com (Mark Petz) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 13:02:15 +0300 Subject: [VBbuilders] Communication In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Steve I agree. I am also mindful of info overload for people that do not speak English as a native speaker (it takes them much longer and they miss many nuances). Those that are new to fast ways of communicating often seem to ignore stuff as it is in an unfamiliar format. (I am sure we could both write endlessly about this). SO that is why I ask in case there can be any feedback or improvements to make an info strategy better. Just how does the videobridge mailing list, old NING space, new social network and Facebook page FIT together with the Global Villages wiki stuff? AND how does this at the metalevel - fit with other movements going on such as in Tamera, Findhorn or community informatics? Ciaokka! Markus On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 1:36 AM, Thompson, Steve wrote: > I think there?s a bigger issue here Mark. In electronic communication > there are so many opportunities for misunderstanding that I think we need to > develop a protocol where our messages are very clear, (with explanations) > devoid of superfluous stuff and unnecessary clutter from previous messages > deleted. Email and facebook etc are fine for simple chatter but if we want > to make a serious point we have to be careful. > > ST > > > On 19/10/2010 23:26, "Mark Petz" wrote: > > yep I *did. *I don't see many (any?? one else) posting there. I wonder is > it useful to even keep using it? > > If it is useful please let me know and I will continue to post stuff - IF > NOT I will stop. > > m > > On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 2:37 PM, Franz Nahrada > wrote: > > "Thompson, Steve" schreibt: > > >Mark > > > >I have no idea what your amazing news is. It's not in this email and I've > >not seen it in any other. > > > >ST > > > Mark referred to his facebook post about the Facebook - Skype deal. > http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=172593001758 > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From S.D.Thompson at tees.ac.uk Mon Oct 25 12:37:08 2010 From: S.D.Thompson at tees.ac.uk (Thompson, Steve) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 11:37:08 +0100 Subject: [VBbuilders] Communication In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >>I agree. I am also mindful of info overload for people that do not speak English as a native speaker (it takes them much longer and they miss many nuances). Mark et ALL, Well, since we are communicating between different people and languages let us go back to writing letters. No, not literally, but perhaps such emails might be more carefully written to be more globally understood. We might zap off (English for rapid message) something to a work colleague but global messages need to be carefully worded. >>Those that are new to fast ways of communicating often seem to ignore stuff as it is in an unfamiliar format. (I am sure we could both write endlessly about this). SO that is why I ask in case there can be any feedback or improvements to make an info strategy better. I agree whole heartedly >>Just how does the videobridge mailing list, old NING space, new social network and Facebook page FIT together with the Global Villages wiki stuff? Well Ning has gone but I'm a member one or two Nings that still live on as their owners have paid the premium. Actually I don't think Ning is a good communication medium at all as you have to be IN the network to keep up to date. If you do not visit regularly you lose touch. We are all probably members of too many networks to keep up to date. Perhaps networks should make tough decisions: what is the best platform for communication and networking? Maybe a choice has to be made for only ONE vehicle rather than a lot. >>AND how does this at the metalevel - fit with other movements going on such as in Tamera, Findhorn or community informatics? What is Tamera and Findhorn. I think I'm aware of the Community Informatics stuff. I'm currently at the Community Informatics Research Network Conf (CIRN) which starts Wednesday. Steve T -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From S.D.Thompson at tees.ac.uk Thu Oct 28 11:20:30 2010 From: S.D.Thompson at tees.ac.uk (Thompson, Steve) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 10:20:30 +0100 Subject: [VBbuilders] Distance Learning In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hello, We've run that test I mentioned and below is the outcome. Franz, I'm happy to put it (slightly edited) on the Dorf Wiki but where? It's written in that particular way as it's part of a longer document ST ==== During the October 2010 workshops previously mentioned I explained to the participants that I would be out of the country at a conference the following week and so there would be no session. They said that they attend any way because it's quite a social group. I therefore suggested it would be an opportunity to try out some thoughts I had been having about distance teaching and learning. From my hotel room at the conference I began to put together a session. Once again I caught my self, adding too many complications and luckily realised this in time to strip back the proposed workshop to the very basics. The plan was to show participants how to add images to their Wordpress blog. In the end I just created a Wordpress blog myself and went through the exercise and then made a link to it from www.myteesuni.com , which is always the starting point for the sessions. First we had a couple of test sessions with the proprietor of the Destinations learning centre, Paul Davies. We decided not to use any of the Destinations computers but for the UK end we would use a MS Windows PC connected to a projector and screen. I ran a Mac and we hooked up using Skype. We wanted to use free software but there may be other alternatives we could try out later. For now Skype seemed to work well apart from dropping out occasionally. On the day of the session only 3 people turned up which was disappointing but then we had said the session would not take place. The participants were positioned at computers and in clear view was a large projection of what I was transmitting from Italy via Skype. I wore a headset and mic but at the Saltburn end speakers were set up and the learners communicated with via the mic in the webcam. The mic in Destinations was turned down and my headphones were cranked up to compensate and we experienced very few feedback problems. I spoke to the participants and then shared my screen with them and showed them my wordpress (http://bit.ly/steve-wp ) and explained what we were going to do. The participants then logged on to their Wordpress accounts with no problem, so the universal password approach was clearly proving it's worth. I then showed the participants my dashboard and explained changes we needed to make to the preference settings in preparation for image uploading. One participant struggled a bit but another more ICT able participant was able to assist. Had I been present in the session I would have been able to do this but obviously for this distance approach we need to have people seated near to others that can assist if possible. Paul Davies also assisted which was fine for this test but in the long run it would not be an effective use of personnel and self-help within learners would be valuable. I was able to zoom into my screen so the settings being projected could be clearly seen. However whilst pointing to things with my curser this was not so clear but I have since found out how to increase the size of the curser considerably. There were a couple of technical problems, which I was able to fix by logging into the individuals Wordpress account thanks once again to the universal password. Apart for a few more Skype dropouts the session went well and we achieved our objectives. Using the traditional methods the session may have reached it's objectives in around 30 minutes but this way too an hour. However once the session was over there was a buzz of enthusiasm from Saltburn that we had been able to achieve this across 2,000 miles! Paul Davies wrote the following appraisal: Setting up was easier than I thought, the testing we had done last couple of days helped and giving some thought to room / area layout was useful. Would have made even more of a difference if there has been more people, all would have seen you in glorious 'projection' mode!! I was worried about the numbers but perhaps for a first session few was more beneficial. Maybe a remote session needs more experienced users as part of it and a peer support element needs to be considered. That said I thought that the session proved both useful and successful as the folks get the results expected, albeit with some unforeseen assistance from yourself. On that point, sykpe worked well and as a tool for distance learning, while there are some limitations, I can see it as user friendly and flexible as say, a webinar setting. I was concerned our room would be too noisy, not sure how it was at your end. I was also conscious of myself looking after other centre users and not just the remote session users. We could hold a 'closed' session or depending on people, use a different room. Either one may help in my not having to move to other areas. 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