From pitlik at miau.gau.hu Fri Jan 1 09:20:06 2010 From: pitlik at miau.gau.hu (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Pitlik_L=E1szl=F3?=) Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2010 09:20:06 +0100 Subject: [VBbuilders] ***SPAM*** content embedding patterns Message-ID: <4B3DB036.40809@miau.gau.hu> Dear All! First: Happy New Year! Maybe: this short study is not able to reduce significantly the happiness today... http://miau.gau.hu/miau2009/index.php3?x=e16 Best regards Laszlo Pitlik __________ ESET NOD32 Antivirus - V?rusdefin?ci?s adatb?zis: 4711 (20091223) __________ Az ?zenetet az ESET NOD32 Antivirus ellen?rizte. http://www.eset.hu From f.nahrada at reflex.at Fri Jan 1 14:49:44 2010 From: f.nahrada at reflex.at (Franz Nahrada) Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2010 14:49:44 +0100 Subject: [VBbuilders] A very interesting call for papers from the community informatics list In-Reply-To: <67DC58D6-E3EA-49FC-BDE1-557863DC58FC@publicsphereproject.org> References: <67DC58D6-E3EA-49FC-BDE1-557863DC58FC@publicsphereproject.org> Message-ID: Doug, Thank you for this announcement. Maybe we can submit individual contributions or even a collective contribution after our Vienna workshop. I think our videobridge work is right at the center of the field of foces between "global" and "local" I share this with our workshop mailinglist and the globalvillages mailinglist at large. Franz Nahrada In ciresearchers at vancouvercommunity.net Doug Schuler wrote > >Dear all, a special issue of the Journal of Community Informatics ([ >http://ci-journal.net ]http://ci-journal.net) will be devoted to ?Linking >the Local with the Global within Community informatics`, guest-edited by >Liisa Horelli and Doug Schuler. > >The Journal of Community Informatics is a focal point for the >communication of research of interest to a global network of academics, >community informatics practitioners and national and multi-lateral policy >makers. The field of community informatics seeks to explore the >potentials of ICTs and their applications for economic, ecological and >socio-cultural development efforts at the community level. It seeks to >ensure that individuals and communities can take advantage of the >opportunities that these technologies can provide. > >For this special issue of the Journal, we are inviting submission of >original, unpublished articles. We welcome research articles from >different disciplines, case studies and notes from the field. All >research articles will be double blind peer-reviewed. Insights and >analytical perspectives from practitioners and policy makers in the form >of notes from the field or case studies are also encouraged. These will >not be peer-reviewed. > >You can find the full Call for Papers below. Looking forward to hearing >from you. Warm wishes, Liisa and Doug Annex Journal of Community Informatics: Call for Papers for Special issue on Linking the Local with the Global within Community Informatics Guest editors: Liisa Horelli and Douglas Schuler The Journal of Community Informatics (http://ci-journal.net) is a focal point for the communication of research of interest to a global network of academics, Community Informatics practitioners and national and multi-lateral policy makers. We invite submissions of original, unpublished articles for a forthcoming special edition of the Journal that will focus on Linking the Local with the Global within Community Informatics. We welcome research articles from different disciplines, case studies and notes from the field. All research articles will be double blind peer-reviewed. Insights and analytical perspectives from practitioners and policy makers in the form of notes from the field or case studies are also encouraged. These will not be peer-reviewed. --------------------------- What is Community Informatics? "Community informatics ...links economic and social development efforts at the community level with emerging opportunities in such areas as electronic commerce, community and civic networks and telecentres, electronic democracy and online-participation, self-help and virtual health communities, advocacy, cultural enhancement, and e-planning among others. ...is concerned with carving out a sphere and developing strategies for precisely those who are being excluded from this ongoing rush, and enabling these individuals and communities to take advantage of some of the opportunities which the technology is providing. It is also concerned with enhancing civil society and strengthening local communities for self-management and for environmental and economically sustainable development, ensuring that many who might otherwise be excluded are able to take advantage of the enormous opportunities the new technologies are presenting." (Michael Gurstein in Community Informatics: Enabling Communities with Information and Communications) ----------------------------- Why a special issue on "Linking Local with the Global within Community Informatics"? Community informatics (CI) is the study and practice of information and communication systems (especially involving networked digital systems) in the community. Regardless of the agreement on the broad definition, there are inherent tensions within the CI community and with the CI perspective itself. The "simple" idea of community is the source of one tension since there are a multiplicity of definitions and usages of the word "community", many of which are semantically loaded or ambiguous. Is, for example, a "virtual community" a real community? Another source of tension is between the local and the global, the focus of this special issue. What's local and what's global? What is their significance in terms of our focus on "community"? How do we define the two terms so that they are meaningful and useful to our work? Perhaps these terms distract us from conceptualizing our enterprise in ways that are more useful? What characterizes phenomena or artifacts as belonging to one or the other (and how do they influence each other)? Interestingly, the community of community informatics researchers, practitioners, and activists itself is part of a new hybridity that blurs local and global. The term "glocalization" has been coined to focus on the intermixing of local and global influences which are present and active everywhere. Although the phenomenon is not new, it has intensified in recent years due to the Internet, mass communications, mobile telephones, air travel, war, migration, economic interdependence, environmental impacts, and other aspects of 21st century mobilities. But identifying and naming a phenomenon is only the beginning. We must not mistake our use of a new term for understanding. For example, how would glocalization help us understand a network of local communities? The availability of urban and community ICT could allow people to understand the larger impacts of their everyday decisions. It could also enable people to understand and promote not only the particularities of the local but also commonalities of the global, and to engage with the broader global ?sphere?. Consequently, people could become actors who are engaged in the glocal networks of mobile people, goods and information. However, glocal influence or interaction could be directed from the top-down, laterally, or from the bottom-up. CI implicitly embraces the tension between the local and the global. On some level, global and local pit two types of forces against each other. How does CI consider this clash or intermingling of forces? Does it advocate larger barriers, shelters, or hiding places, from these forces or does it inspire or promote the type of collective intelligence that goes beyond "using ICT?" The recent debate on the CI-research list brought up the idea that CI could be used, in addition to the benefit of communities, to the benefit of global communities. This debate raised arguments that both supported and questioned the claim. On the one hand, there is the risk that glocalisation can dilute (and downgrade) the "community" to some larger (and less individually significant) whole. In that case, it may be important to preserve the 'local' as it maintains the community's domains of control and power over the circumstances that impacts it. It can be reasoned that greater globality essentially removes self-control and self-governance. On the other hand, glocalisation provides new strategic options for movements who seek resources and support far beyond national boundaries, such as the Chiapas, in Mexico. The global opportunities even begin to play part in the way local activists frame the issues they raise locally. Thus, the "outside world" affects communities, but communities exert forces outwards as well. Local communities can also share experiences and strategies, thus mutually strengthening each other. We need to figure out, how we are going to make the glocal or translocal connections work most effectively. This special issue is intended to help surface the opportunities, challenges, and risks around this theme. These issues give rise to a large number of research questions. Some of these are listed below but there are many yet to be identified and researched. What processes underlie the forces of globalization? Which are forces of localization? How are people affected by each? How do these forces originate, diffuse, and make their effects felt? Do these forces affect all communities equally or are gender, ethnicity, or other features significant factors? And what should CI researchers / practitioners do in relation to those forces? Is the issue trying to help communities use ICT more effectively, or is it working in a general way to develop communication systems that will help local communities intelligently address the problems that they (and the rest of the world) face? In some situations, for example, this means helping to develop collective problem-solving tools so people can more effectively resist oppression or fight the status quo. Or should their inhabitants be full citizens of the world with the rights and responsibilities that accompany that status? How can we characterize the new diversity of global / local relationships? What patterns exist? In what ways might (hyper?) localism breed parochialism and isolationism? Can we embrace CI without unnecessarily valorizing the local community? What are the opportunities (and what should the limits be) to our research and activism on behalf of and with the local community? Because CI is a brand new field of research and practice we have the rare opportunity to define our field. * Is it useful ? or even possible ? to conceptualize a social enterprise that is relevant today without explicitly acknowledging climate change, environmental degradation, oppression, poverty, human rights, war and militarism, and other "global" problems that face us all, however indirectly. * How should these manifest "global" concerns be factored into our enterprise? * And how does the role of information and communication, the foundations of our enterprise, change ? if at all ? the way we answer these questions? This positioning of our enquiry at such a point should enable a new set of opportunities. CI integrates research and engagement. So its view of localism and globalism needs to be informed through those perspectives. We invite authors to submit in English both full articles for peer-review, as well as short pieces on specific experiences and/or policy and regulatory issues, to be reviewed by the guest editors. Please note the deadlines: Deadline for abstracts: 28 February 2010 Deadline for submissions: 30 May 2010 Publication date is forthcoming For information about submission requirements, including author guidelines, please visit: http://www.ci-journal.net/index.php/ciej/about/submissions#onlineSubmissions For further information, clarifications, comments or suggestions, and to send abstracts of papers for consideration, please contact: Dr. Liisa Horelli Helsinki University of Technology Centre for Urban and Regional Studies liisa.horelli at tkk.fi Douglas Schuler The Public Sphere Project and The Evergreen State College douglas at publicsphereproject.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Public Sphere Project http://www.publicsphereproject.org/ Liberating Voices! A Pattern Language for Communication Revolution (project) http://www.publicsphereproject.org/patterns/ Liberating Voices! A Pattern Language for Communication Revolution (book) http://mitpress.mit.edu/catalog/item/default.asp?ttype=2&tid=11601 From S.D.Thompson at tees.ac.uk Sat Jan 2 00:06:53 2010 From: S.D.Thompson at tees.ac.uk (Thompson, Steve) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 23:06:53 +0000 Subject: [VBbuilders] Content Aggregation Patterns Message-ID: <91B61ED273D46E4589DA358ABD11872DF515EC36F6@HOLLYCLUSTER.windows.tees.ac.uk> Well, Happy New Year all I was not intending to to do much on this til 17th Jan because to be out of circulation for 10 days in Jan I have much to do here in the UK. However I've been shamed to put virtual pen to paper. I have posted to forum http://videobridge.ning.com/forum/topics/thinking-about-this which links to a wiki http://contentaggregationpatterns.wikispaces.com/ I've chosen to do this rather than write a document because my thoughts are ill formed and evolving Steve Thompson Community Media Manager Institute of Digital Innovation Teesside University M - 07795 826953 E - s.d.thompson at tees.ac.uk W - www.steve-thompson.org.uk From knut.berndorfer at utanet.at Sat Jan 2 18:41:01 2010 From: knut.berndorfer at utanet.at (Knut Berndorfer) Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 18:41:01 +0100 Subject: [VBbuilders] Thoughts on SocialImpactPatterns Message-ID: I wish you all a Happy New Year and look forward to see you soon. I want to say I have some difficulty to follow all the different threads and also in using the system (like Wiki). So as a first step I am sending you my notes and a brief layout for my contribution to the Vienna Workshop: Looking at the label: "SocialImpactPatterns" I will start with my own understanding and interpretation of that pattern. Social Impact translates for me into transforming society = "socialtransformationpattern" (mostly on the group level or communal level, but also expanding globally). In that context Otto Scharmers Work on U-Theory is the larger context (pattern) for defining my contribution to the workshop. (To know more about his work is useful but not really necessary. It just gives a framework for one approach to social transformation - for the individual, the group, the organizations and world wide) see (www.ottoscharmer.com ) and his recent contribution on Capitalism 3.0 see http://api.ning.com/files/7f5Ul7aUjtJHOt8IuG2OL5M2PyMYTgezxtwIKkzyxq3ZlSlvOijHKXNYS*Nh6UOtK*GNmDnWG2RTB5eyWXlMfVthoUSc5kJ2/2009_SevenAcupuncturePoints.pdf Within that context generative conversations play an important role, especially "dialogue" and also the "WorldCafe". My interest is to look at these two "social technologies" and define sub-patterns and patterns. (I have some background in looking at patterns in knowledge creation and in living systems theory. Alexanders work is rather new to me). As an example for one pattern within the "dialoguepattern"is building a container (a container is a place of continuity, trust and more .., it can be physical and/or virtual). Also there are the patterns of "advocacy" and "inqiry" etc. My intention is to prepare these 2 patterns (dialogue and worldcafe) for the vienna workshop. Understanding these patterns - starting with the problem (I actually prefer the words issue, or a question - like how to build community?) and looking at the specific context will allow us to understand how the "videobridge" pattern will fit in. And also what the barriers and difficulties are. My suggestion/proposal for the workshop would be to 1.. use the "tool" of dialogue for some conversations during the 8 day workshop - including a presentation from my part about the use of dialogue and the world caf? for communal change 2.. in that way getting a direct understanding about the patterns involved (hopefully) and 3.. allow the whole group (or a subgroup) to work collectively for a deepening understanding of the dialoguepattern - and probably use the worldcafe method for connection of the different patterns and for deeper insight 4.. and look how dialogue and worldcafe can be supported and enhanced by the video bridge tool. I think that should give you a first idea, what I would like to happen during the Vienna workshop and what I can contribute. I will work further on the assignment - that means clarification and documentation of the patterns I see. 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Message-ID: <4B41BD26.5060900@miau.gau.hu> Dear All, this lecture(r) use also a well-prepared data visualization (viz. the visual effects could be hardly covered by any texts): http://www.ted.com/talks/hans_rosling_shows_the_best_stats_you_ve_ever_seen.html Best regards Laszlo __________ ESET NOD32 Antivirus - V?rusdefin?ci?s adatb?zis: 4741 (20100104) __________ Az ?zenetet az ESET NOD32 Antivirus ellen?rizte. http://www.eset.hu From Matz.Lindberg at nav.pitea.se Tue Jan 5 12:48:13 2010 From: Matz.Lindberg at nav.pitea.se (Matz Lindberg) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 12:48:13 +0100 Subject: [VBbuilders] ***SPAM*** Channel Patterns Message-ID: <920B09D9F194EE4297C82F919136EAF80C389D70D7@ws-mail1.it.pitea.se> Hi guys, I do hope that the year has begun as planned, whatever that means ;-D. Anyway, my first revision on Channel Patterns is to be found on the wiki at http://www.dorfwiki.org/wiki.cgi?VideoBridge/PatternLanguage/Matrix. As soon as my thoughts have been straightened out I will revise my contribution. Until then, cheers, Matz Matz Lindberg Gymnasieadjunkt, Studiecentrum Arbetsmarknad och vuxenutbildning ________________________________________________________________________________ Bes?ksadress: Lidgatan 2 Postadress: 941 50 Pite? Telefon: 0911-69 64 81 [cid:167403711 at 05012010-0C6A] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 3520 bytes Desc: image001.jpg URL: From ravenwyn at gmail.com Wed Jan 6 10:52:48 2010 From: ravenwyn at gmail.com (Mark Petz) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 11:52:48 +0200 Subject: [VBbuilders] Channel Patterns In-Reply-To: <920B09D9F194EE4297C82F919136EAF80C389D70D7@ws-mail1.it.pitea.se> References: <920B09D9F194EE4297C82F919136EAF80C389D70D7@ws-mail1.it.pitea.se> Message-ID: Thanks Matz Good to see some content. I'd say only that CONCRETE examples are good here, so for example when you say about online editing / film making resources: http://www.youtube.com/t/howto_makevideo and actually on the site there are some short guides: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPLWNnFy6AM&feature=fvw try and put links to those sites - OR possibly such links will be made to the stories that are being collected: We need to archive them somehow so they are not lost. The guys that make this content will make more content if we want it so some story boarding and calls for content can be great at some point. I guess this applies to other patterns too. Yep I know it takes a lot of time :) Happy New Year t'y'all too markus On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 1:48 PM, Matz Lindberg wrote: > Hi guys, > I do hope that the year has begun as planned, whatever that means ;-D. > Anyway, my first revision on Channel Patterns is to be found on the wiki at > http://www.dorfwiki.org/wiki.cgi?VideoBridge/PatternLanguage/Matrix. > > As soon as my thoughts have been straightened out I will revise my > contribution. > > Until then, cheers, > Matz > > > Matz Lindberg > Gymnasieadjunkt, Studiecentrum > Arbetsmarknad och vuxenutbildning > > ________________________________________________________________________________ > > Bes?ksadress: Lidgatan 2 > Postadress: 941 50 Pite? > Telefon: 0911-69 64 81 > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Looking forward to meeting you all. warm regardsMarina _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live: Keep your friends up to date with what you do online. http://www.microsoft.com/middleeast/windows/windowslive/see-it-in-action/social-network-basics.aspx?ocid=PID23461::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-xm:SI_SB_1:092010 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ravenwyn at gmail.com Thu Jan 7 19:13:44 2010 From: ravenwyn at gmail.com (Mark Petz) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 20:13:44 +0200 Subject: [VBbuilders] ***SPAM*** content embedding patterns In-Reply-To: <4B3DB036.40809@miau.gau.hu> References: <4B3DB036.40809@miau.gau.hu> Message-ID: thanks for that L?szl? Its quite philosophical, I tried to see what is pickable out for practical use with our aims of Video-bridging, but I think its not so concrete most of it. Also I think its a bit technical for what we want, though of interest and shows the broader application of this to other places and processes. thanks for it! Can a copy be put on the NING or wiki or somewhere? Did you want any more concrete feedback? TO my mind what it did make me think of was a conversation I had recently about the commercial viability of video-bridging. And this system can show that. Although as yet we do not have a market ready system. For sure the technical support is needed in the form of a manual! Such as "Video-Bridge Handbook" in the way we have a "Video Activist Handbook" http://www.undercurrents.org/handbook/index.htm ciaokka! markus 2010/1/1 Pitlik L?szl? > Dear All! > > First: Happy New Year! > > Maybe: this short study is not able to reduce significantly the happiness > today... > http://miau.gau.hu/miau2009/index.php3?x=e16 > > Best regards > > Laszlo Pitlik > > > > __________ ESET NOD32 Antivirus - V?rusdefin?ci?s adatb?zis: 4711 > (20091223) __________ > > Az ?zenetet az ESET NOD32 Antivirus ellen?rizte. > > http://www.eset.hu > > > _______________________________________________ > Videobridgebuilders mailing list > Videobridgebuilders at globalvillages.org > http://globalvillages.org/mailman/listinfo/videobridgebuilders > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Also I looked at the website (from the presenters org): http://www.gapminder.org/ and I see that they aim to make info available in a publicly accessibel way. This is WHAT we want to do with Video Bridging info too, and also maybe with our "databasing" of old video-bridges. Not sure if we have some synergy here or if we might work with them? (SO I GUESS THAT WOULD BE A SOCIALCO-OPERATION PATTERN?? ) I also saw this site recently (shows the legatum link that makes Finland number 1 if you scroll down is in ENglish) http://portti.iltalehti.fi/keskustelu//showthread.php?t=220462 And wonder about the presentation of such data. But that is off topic :) ciaokka! markus 2010/1/4 Pitlik L?szl? > Dear All, > > this lecture(r) use also a well-prepared data visualization (viz. the > visual effects could be hardly covered by any texts): > > http://www.ted.com/talks/hans_rosling_shows_the_best_stats_you_ve_ever_seen.html > > Best regards > > Laszlo > > > > __________ ESET NOD32 Antivirus - V?rusdefin?ci?s adatb?zis: 4741 > (20100104) __________ > > Az ?zenetet az ESET NOD32 Antivirus ellen?rizte. > > http://www.eset.hu > > > _______________________________________________ > Videobridgebuilders mailing list > Videobridgebuilders at globalvillages.org > http://globalvillages.org/mailman/listinfo/videobridgebuilders > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ravenwyn at gmail.com Fri Jan 8 14:48:08 2010 From: ravenwyn at gmail.com (Mark Petz) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 15:48:08 +0200 Subject: [VBbuilders] is any HELP needed. what is your status??? URGENT Message-ID: Hi All I have been through all the mails that came re video-bridge and tried to assist people in developing the patterns. I know we will do more in Vein. BUT in accordance with my task to support you I want to know: 1. Is there anyone that has not managed to do any work on their assigments yet? Do you need help with that? 2. Particularly to to Franz, but others too, where might most usefully more work time be applied now by me? Ciaokka! Markus PS there does not seem any movement on the follow-up project so I'd like some progress on that from others - scope, theme and amount we want to get are particulalry important for me to do follow-up. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ravenwyn at gmail.com Fri Jan 8 16:42:40 2010 From: ravenwyn at gmail.com (Mark Petz) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 17:42:40 +0200 Subject: [VBbuilders] is any HELP needed. what is your status??? URGENT In-Reply-To: <4B474811.9080706@miau.gau.hu> References: <4B474811.9080706@miau.gau.hu> Message-ID: In reply to L?szl? My partner (or rather my sending org) can provide a space as a location for a bridge, but to fund a technician for 1 year or peripatetic equipment so that we can put it in 3 other centres in finland - no they cannot do that. They can be part of a bid to do that if we have a proposal and project. As for the wider Nordic world or beyond, Matz and I would like to develop this and I have possible locations and individuals that would be interested in most of the Nordic countries. BUT I cannot move it forward without content and an agreed direction. Now its too vague. No tangibles, like time scale, objectives nor rsource implications in time, money or space are here. I can of course write a whole project in about 2 days, but experience has taught me not to do that as people say yes and then once its done they do not keep their word. Working with organizations is even harder. Ciaokka! Markus On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 4:58 PM, Pitlik L?szl? wrote: > Dear Markus, > > > 1. Is there anyone that has not managed to do any work on their assigments > yet? Do you need help with that? > > DONE: > http://www.dorfwiki.org/wiki.cgi?VideoBridge/PatternLanguage/ContentEmbeddingPatterns > > > 2. Particularly to to Franz, but others too, where might most usefully more > work time be applied now by me? > > It would be nice for (me and by all means): to *re-formulate* (based on > the information-stream till now), > what exactly should be achieved in Vienna? > And also to be clarified: Which role exactly each participant (also me) > should/can play in the realization in the ideal case? > I think, based on the first "brain-storming activities", the processes > could already be fine tuned towards "operationalism". > Sorry! Unfortunately, I tend toward both philosophy and pragmatism (an > unlucky combination? but seemingly good in case of creating artificial > intelligence) > > PS there does not seem any movement on the follow-up project so I'd like > some progress on that from others - scope, theme and amount we want to get > are particulalry important for me to do follow-up. > > As far as I am concerned: > scope/strategy: > - improvement of awareness in the decision making of local player based on > video-bridging and/or virtual university in order to be able to argue for > grants > - providing useful databases (OLAP), expert systems, analyse-tools to > minimize human resources in order to be able to work efficient (not only > effective) > theme: > - the methodology is prepared to support almost each phenomenon (social, > environment, business, private) > project volume: > - my partners in Hungary are "big enough" to ensure own resources in > adequate amount > > > Best regards > > Laszlo > > > __________ ESET NOD32 Antivirus - V?rusdefin?ci?s adatb?zis: 4753 > (20100108) __________ > > Az ?zenetet az ESET NOD32 Antivirus ellen?rizte. > > http://www.eset.hu > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ravenwyn at gmail.com Fri Jan 8 20:00:08 2010 From: ravenwyn at gmail.com (Mark Petz) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 21:00:08 +0200 Subject: [VBbuilders] is any HELP needed. what is your status??? URGENT In-Reply-To: <803197.80290.qm@web25601.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <803197.80290.qm@web25601.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: "Social Cooperation Patterns" that is a great look at what a village is. I think that you should also look at the Hinterland model: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinterland there is a lot of esp. German deductions from this. It may not be accurate, but it informs policy with the idea of a city having to be responsible for towns that are responsible for villages. RATHER than villages interlinking in a network by themselves without any cities. My and I think Franz's proffered solution. Incidentally the Digger and Levellers had elements of these village based communities in their philosophies as did Pol Pot in Cambodia, when he tried to destroy cities and make everyone part of village community life. so co-operation is different if you have a lead village or town - a heirachy is created rather than the peer to peer networking possible between autonomous self-organized local communities - villages. so can you find some examples of this Guiseppe to illustrate these differences, heirachy and peer to peer in practice. And how videobriodge woudl be in co-operation for each of these models repsectively. Lastly also look at social cooperation in a village, for example does the women's circle talk to the men's drinking group in the pub? does the church talk to the school? Does the garden club interact in some way with the aerobics group? And how might video-bridge facilitate or be an element in that? markus On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 8:37 PM, Giuseppe Silvi wrote: > Hi Mark, Hi all > * > * > I attach here a .pdf with a first attempt to understand how to define the > "Social Cooperation Patterns" ... just a kind of personal "brain storming" > through looking at some websites. > * > * > It is just a start ..... and there is a lot of study and research ahead to > accomplish my assignement / task. > > Cheers, > Giuseppe Silvi > * > * > *Live world statistics on population, government and economics, society > and media, environoment, energy, food, water, and health (available in 32 > languages)* > http://www.worldometers.info > http://www.realtimestatistics.org/projects.php > * > * > * > * > *Da:* Mark Petz > *A:* videobridgebuilders at globalvillages.org > *Inviato:* Ven 8 gennaio 2010, 14:48:08 > *Oggetto:* [VBbuilders] is any HELP needed. what is your status??? URGENT > > Hi All > > I have been through all the mails that came re video-bridge and tried to > assist people in developing the patterns. I know we will do more in Vein. > BUT in accordance with my task to support you I want to know: > > 1. Is there anyone that has not managed to do any work on their assigments > yet? Do you need help with that? > > 2. Particularly to to Franz, but others too, where might most usefully more > work time be applied now by me? > > Ciaokka! > > Markus > PS there does not seem any movement on the follow-up project so I'd like > some progress on that from others - scope, theme and amount we want to get > are particulalry important for me to do follow-up. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From giuseppesilvi at yahoo.it Fri Jan 8 19:37:14 2010 From: giuseppesilvi at yahoo.it (Giuseppe Silvi) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 18:37:14 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [VBbuilders] is any HELP needed. what is your status??? URGENT In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <803197.80290.qm@web25601.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hi Mark, Hi all I attach here a .pdf with a first attempt to understand how to define the "Social Cooperation Patterns" ... just a kind of personal "brain storming" through looking at some websites. It is just a start ..... and there is a lot of study and research ahead to accomplish my assignement / task. Cheers, Giuseppe Silvi Live world statistics on population, government and economics, society and media, environoment, energy, food, water, and health (available in 32 languages) http://www.worldometers.info http://www.realtimestatistics.org/projects.php Da: Mark Petz A: videobridgebuilders at globalvillages.org Inviato: Ven 8 gennaio 2010, 14:48:08 Oggetto: [VBbuilders] is any HELP needed. what is your status??? URGENT Hi All I have been through all the mails that came re video-bridge and tried to assist people in developing the patterns. I know we will do more in Vein. BUT in accordance with my task to support you I want to know: 1. Is there anyone that has not managed to do any work on their assigments yet? Do you need help with that? 2. Particularly to to Franz, but others too, where might most usefully more work time be applied now by me? Ciaokka! Markus PS there does not seem any movement on the follow-up project so I'd like some progress on that from others - scope, theme and amount we want to get are particulalry important for me to do follow-up. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: MATRIX - SocialCooperationPatterns.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 280783 bytes Desc: not available URL: From giuseppesilvi at yahoo.it Sat Jan 9 10:04:50 2010 From: giuseppesilvi at yahoo.it (Giuseppe Silvi) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 09:04:50 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [VBbuilders] ***SPAM*** Re: From the Global Village to Glocal Villages Message-ID: <150820.98185.qm@web25603.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Markus and Phil, many thanks for your feed back. During this week end I'll continue my web research taking into account your suggestions and contributions. In the meantime I flag you two old articles in which I tried to outline a possible "social glocal transformation" through a facilitator tool such as could be the renaissance of the "piazza" in the digital age as an "urban public space" where to share knowledge face to face and at distance and to share at the same time many other facilities . Ref. to the article on wikipedia for the story and recent updatings on this initiative: http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piazza_telematica , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piazza_Telematica. 1) A Village for every era ?. From the Global Village to Glocal Villages (December 1999) The era of generative tech-nets: bit watt -.- and complexity http://www.piazzetelematiche.it/1994-2005/doc_e_genart.html 2) A GLOCAL Bridge for Italy made up of 8,100 telematic piazzas, one for each of the 8,100 Italian municipalities (November 2001) http://www.piazzetelematiche.it/1994-2005/doc_ponteglo-eng..htm A good week end to everyone. Giuseppe http://www.youtube.com/user/bitwatt http://stage.spaziopubblico.it/wiki/GJ/HP/01 (beta version) NOTE I met Franz in 1996 for the first time at HABITAT II in Instanbul and I met him again virtually after almost 10 years thanks to this link http://www.globalvillages.info/wiki.cgi?FranzNahrada and you can read about it here : http://www.dorfwiki.org/wiki.cgi?PiazzaTelematica The leaflet (printed in 10.000 copies) that supported me in entering in contact with Franz at HABITAT II can be seen at this link: A PROPOSAL FOR THE QUALITY OF LIVING ENVIRONMENTS, NEW JOBS AND TELEMATIC INDUSTRY (HABITAT II, 1996) http://www.piazzetelematiche.it/1994-2005/Istanbul.pdf ..... from 1996 (at the dawn of the web 1.0) to 2005 (at the dawn of the web 2.0) to 2010 (at the dawn of ? ) Franz, many many thanks for the organization of the GRUNDTVIG WORKSHOP ! ________________________________ Da: Phil Turner A: Mark Petz ; Cc: videobridgebuilders at globalvillages.org Inviato: Sab 9 gennaio 2010, 00:01:55 Oggetto: HINTERLAND - Germany and Poland Mark and Guiseppe, HINTERLAND - I agree with Mark that it is important See the ECOVAST work on small towns and villages and their surrounding areas: http://ecovastdiscussion.ning.com/forum/topics/small-towns-draft-position There you will find two downloads - attached here. In drafting these, we were careful not to use the term 'hinterland' because of the different meanings in German and English langauges. Nevertheless, we used the word in preparatory discussions. ECOVAST's project ASSET ? Action to Strengthen the Small European Town ? is seeing results from research that show good links between towns and hinterland, except where infrastructure is lacking. Small Towns fall into a policy gap between Cities and Rural. They are hubs for economic, social and cultural activity, offering markets and service facilities, and beneficial to all. The European Commission (DG REGIO) is considering Territorial Cohesion Policy and at recent seminars the following was recorded: The area around Prague could be characterised as an urban core with suburban places, peripheral settlements and a rural hinterland. There was ?polycentricity? of peri-urban and rural settlements. Prague (with reference to ESPON work) region has 250 micro-regions based on labour markets. Rural hinterlands have an important role. A tissue of small towns and surrounding areas ? POLYCENTRICITY. This includes places ?at the edge? and at the ?inner periphery?. Phil ------------------ Mark Petz writes: >"Social Cooperation Patterns" that is a great look at what >a village is. I think that you should also look at the Hinterland model: > >[ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinterland >]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinterland > >there is a lot of esp. German deductions from this. It may not be >accurate, but it informs policy with the idea of a city having to be >responsible for towns that are responsible for villages. > >RATHER than villages interlinking in a network by themselves without any >cities. > >My and I think Franz's proffered solution. > >Incidentally the Digger and Levellers had elements of these village based >communities in their philosophies as did Pol Pot in Cambodia, when he >tried to destroy cities and make everyone part of village community life. > >so co-operation is different if you have a lead village or town - a >heirachy is created rather than the peer to peer networking possible >between autonomous self-organized local communities - villages. > >so can you find some examples of this Guiseppe to illustrate these >differences, heirachy and peer to peer in practice. And how videobriodge >woudl be in co-operation for each of these models repsectively. > >Lastly also look at social cooperation in a village, for example does the >women's circle talk to the men's drinking group in the pub? does the >church talk to the school? Does the garden club interact in some way with >the aerobics group? And how might video-bridge facilitate or be an >element in that? > >markus > >On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 8:37 PM, Giuseppe Silvi <[ >mailto:giuseppesilvi at yahoo.it ]giuseppesilvi at yahoo.it> wrote: > > > >Hi Mark, Hi all > > >I attach here a .pdf with a first attempt to understand how to define the >"Social Cooperation Patterns" ... just a kind of personal >"brain storming" through looking at some websites. > > >It is just a start ..... and there is a lot of study and research ahead >to accomplish my assignement / task. > > >Cheers, >Giuseppe Silvi > > >Live world statistics on population, government and economics, society >and media, environoment, energy, food, water, and health (available in 32 >languages) >[ http://www.worldometers.info ]http://www.worldometers.info >[ http://www.realtimestatistics.org/projects.php >]http://www.realtimestatistics.org/projects.php > > > > >Da: Mark Petz <[ mailto:ravenwyn at gmail.com ]ravenwyn at gmail.com> >A: [ mailto:videobridgebuilders at globalvillages.org >]videobridgebuilders at globalvillages.org >Inviato: Ven 8 gennaio 2010, 14:48:08 >Oggetto: [VBbuilders] is any HELP needed. what is your status??? URGENT > > >Hi All > >I have been through all the mails that came re video-bridge and tried to >assist people in developing the patterns. I know we will do more in Vein. >BUT in accordance with my task to support you I want to know: > >1. Is there anyone that has not managed to do any work on their >assigments yet? Do you need help with that? > >2.. Particularly to to Franz, but others too, where might most usefully >more work time be applied now by me? > >Ciaokka! > >Markus >PS there does not seem any movement on the follow-up project so I'd like >some progress on that from others - scope, theme and amount we want to >get are particulalry important for me to do follow-up. > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Videobridgebuilders mailing list >Videobridgebuilders at globalvillages.org >http://globalvillages.org/mailman/listinfo/videobridgebuilders > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ravenwyn at gmail.com Sat Jan 9 10:10:22 2010 From: ravenwyn at gmail.com (Mark Petz) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 11:10:22 +0200 Subject: [VBbuilders] HINTERLAND - Germany and Poland In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Reminds me of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_town these Market Towns held a charter and thence all sorts of other rights and responsibilities could en-shew. DO we see a similar concept with a VideoBridge Quartermaster role where the smaller video bridge locations in a surrounding village could be supported? So in Greece for example every village hall / church / ouzu caf? (1 per village) could have a Vbridge location and thus this be the hub to connect with the newly created district councils? I wonder what the costings on such a network might be AS WELL AS THE SAVINGS for environment and fuel costs for the citizen participation. Mark. On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 1:01 AM, Phil Turner wrote: > Mark and Guiseppe, > > HINTERLAND - I agree with Mark that it is important > > See the ECOVAST work on small towns and villages and their surrounding > areas: > http://ecovastdiscussion.ning.com/forum/topics/small-towns-draft-position > > There you will find two downloads - attached here. > In drafting these, we were careful not to use the term 'hinterland' > because of the different meanings in German and English langauges. > Nevertheless, we used the word in preparatory discussions. > > ECOVAST's project ASSET ? Action to Strengthen the Small European Town ? > is seeing results from research that show good links between towns and > hinterland, except where infrastructure is lacking. > Small Towns fall into a policy gap between Cities and Rural. They are > hubs for economic, social and cultural activity, offering markets and > service facilities, and beneficial to all. > > The European Commission (DG REGIO) is considering Territorial Cohesion > Policy and at recent seminars the following was recorded: > The area around Prague could be characterised as an urban core with > suburban places, peripheral settlements and a rural hinterland. There was > ?polycentricity? of peri-urban and rural settlements. > Prague (with reference to ESPON work) region has 250 micro-regions based > on labour markets. > Rural hinterlands have an important role. A tissue of small towns and > surrounding areas ? POLYCENTRICITY. > This includes places ?at the edge? and at the ?inner periphery?. > > Phil > ------------------ > > Mark Petz writes: > > > >"Social Cooperation Patterns" that is a great look at what > >a village is. I think that you should also look at the Hinterland > model: > > > >[ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinterland > >]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinterland > > > >there is a lot of esp. German deductions from this. It may not be > >accurate, but it informs policy with the idea of a city having to be > >responsible for towns that are responsible for villages. > > > >RATHER than villages interlinking in a network by themselves without > any > >cities. > > > >My and I think Franz's proffered solution. > > > >Incidentally the Digger and Levellers had elements of these village > based > >communities in their philosophies as did Pol Pot in Cambodia, when he > >tried to destroy cities and make everyone part of village community > life. > > > >so co-operation is different if you have a lead village or town - a > >heirachy is created rather than the peer to peer networking possible > >between autonomous self-organized local communities - villages. > > > >so can you find some examples of this Guiseppe to illustrate these > >differences, heirachy and peer to peer in practice. And how > videobriodge > >woudl be in co-operation for each of these models repsectively. > > > >Lastly also look at social cooperation in a village, for example does > the > >women's circle talk to the men's drinking group in the pub? does the > >church talk to the school? Does the garden club interact in some way > with > >the aerobics group? And how might video-bridge facilitate or be an > >element in that? > > > >markus > > > >On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 8:37 PM, Giuseppe Silvi <[ > >mailto:giuseppesilvi at yahoo.it ]giuseppesilvi at yahoo.it> wrote: > > > > > > > >Hi Mark, Hi all > > > > > >I attach here a .pdf with a first attempt to understand how to define > the > >"Social Cooperation Patterns" ... just a kind of personal > >"brain storming" through looking at some websites. > > > > > >It is just a start ..... and there is a lot of study and research ahead > >to accomplish my assignement / task. > > > > > >Cheers, > >Giuseppe Silvi > > > > > >Live world statistics on population, government and economics, society > >and media, environoment, energy, food, water, and health (available in > 32 > >languages) > >[ http://www.worldometers.info ]http://www.worldometers.info > >[ http://www.realtimestatistics.org/projects.php > >]http://www.realtimestatistics.org/projects.php > > > > > > > > > >Da: Mark Petz <[ mailto:ravenwyn at gmail.com ]ravenwyn at gmail.com> > >A: [ mailto:videobridgebuilders at globalvillages.org > >]videobridgebuilders at globalvillages.org > >Inviato: Ven 8 gennaio 2010, 14:48:08 > >Oggetto: [VBbuilders] is any HELP needed. what is your status??? URGENT > > > > > >Hi All > > > >I have been through all the mails that came re video-bridge and tried > to > >assist people in developing the patterns. I know we will do more in > Vein. > >BUT in accordance with my task to support you I want to know: > > > >1. Is there anyone that has not managed to do any work on their > >assigments yet? Do you need help with that? > > > >2. Particularly to to Franz, but others too, where might most usefully > >more work time be applied now by me? > > > >Ciaokka! > > > >Markus > >PS there does not seem any movement on the follow-up project so I'd > like > >some progress on that from others - scope, theme and amount we want to > >get are particulalry important for me to do follow-up. > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Videobridgebuilders mailing list > >Videobridgebuilders at globalvillages.org > >http://globalvillages.org/mailman/listinfo/videobridgebuilders > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ravenwyn at gmail.com Sat Jan 9 10:15:50 2010 From: ravenwyn at gmail.com (Mark Petz) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 11:15:50 +0200 Subject: [VBbuilders] From the Global Village to Glocal Villages In-Reply-To: <150820.98185.qm@web25603.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <150820.98185.qm@web25603.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: http://ec.europa.eu/regional_policy/index_en.htm is dg regio - i am sure there will be stuff directly relevant to us. m On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 11:04 AM, Giuseppe Silvi wrote: > *Markus and Phil, many thanks for your feed back.* > > > During this week end I'll continue my web research taking into account your > suggestions and contributions. > > > In the meantime I flag you two old articles in which I tried to outline a > possible "social glocal transformation" through a facilitator tool such as > could be the renaissance of the "piazza" in the digital age as an "urban > public space" where to share knowledge face to face and at distance and to > share at the same time many other facilities . > > Ref. to the article on wikipedia for the story and recent updatings on this > initiative: > > http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piazza_telematica , > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piazza_Telematica. > > * > * > > *1)* > > *A Village for every era ?. From the Global Village to Glocal > Villages (December 1999)* > > *The era of generative tech-nets: bit watt -.- and complexity* > > http://www.piazzetelematiche.it/1994-2005/doc_e_genart.html > > *2)* > > *A GLOCAL Bridge for Italy made up of 8,100 telematic piazzas, one for > each of the 8,100 Italian municipalities (November 2001)* > > http://www.piazzetelematiche.it/1994-2005/doc_ponteglo-eng.htm > > > * > * > A good week end to everyone. > > Giuseppe > > http://www.youtube.com/user/bitwatt > http://stage.spaziopubblico.it/wiki/GJ/HP/01 (beta version) > > *NOTE* > I met Franz in 1996 for the first time at HABITAT II in Instanbul and I met > him again virtually after almost 10 years thanks to this link > http://www.globalvillages.info/wiki.cgi?FranzNahrada and you can read > about it here : http://www.dorfwiki.org/wiki.cgi?PiazzaTelematica > > The leaflet (printed in 10.000 copies) that supported me in entering in > contact with Franz at HABITAT II can be seen at this link: > *A PROPOSAL FOR THE QUALITY OF LIVING ENVIRONMENTS, NEW JOBS AND TELEMATIC > INDUSTRY (HABITAT II, 1996)* > http://www.piazzetelematiche.it/1994-2005/Istanbul.pdf > > .... from 1996 (at the dawn of the web 1.0) to 2005 (at the dawn of the web > 2.0) to 2010 (at the dawn of *? * ) > > Franz, many many thanks for the organization of the GRUNDTVIG WORKSHOP ! > > > > ------------------------------ > *Da:* Phil Turner > *A:* Mark Petz ; > *Cc:* videobridgebuilders at globalvillages..org > *Inviato:* Sab 9 gennaio 2010, 00:01:55 > *Oggetto:* HINTERLAND - Germany and Poland > > Mark and Guiseppe, > > HINTERLAND - I agree with Mark that it is important > > See the ECOVAST work on small towns and villages and their surrounding > areas: > http://ecovastdiscussion.ning.com/forum/topics/small-towns-draft-position > > There you will find two downloads - attached here. > In drafting these, we were careful not to use the term 'hinterland' > because of the different meanings in German and English langauges. > Nevertheless, we used the word in preparatory discussions. > > ECOVAST's project ASSET ? Action to Strengthen the Small European Town ? > is seeing results from research that show good links between towns and > hinterland, except where infrastructure is lacking. > Small Towns fall into a policy gap between Cities and Rural. They are > hubs for economic, social and cultural activity, offering markets and > service facilities, and beneficial to all. > > The European Commission (DG REGIO) is considering Territorial Cohesion > Policy and at recent seminars the following was recorded: > The area around Prague could be characterised as an urban core with > suburban places, peripheral settlements and a rural hinterland. There was > ?polycentricity? of peri-urban and rural settlements. > Prague (with reference to ESPON work) region has 250 micro-regions based > on labour markets. > Rural hinterlands have an important role. A tissue of small towns and > surrounding areas ? POLYCENTRICITY. > This includes places ?at the edge? and at the ?inner periphery?. > > Phil > ------------------ > > Mark Petz writes: > > > >"Social Cooperation Patterns" that is a great look at what > >a village is. I think that you should also look at the Hinterland > model: > > > >[ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinterland > >]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinterland > > > >there is a lot of esp. German deductions from this. It may not be > >accurate, but it informs policy with the idea of a city having to be > >responsible for towns that are responsible for villages. > > > >RATHER than villages interlinking in a network by themselves without > any > >cities. > > > >My and I think Franz's proffered solution. > > > >Incidentally the Digger and Levellers had elements of these village > based > >communities in their philosophies as did Pol Pot in Cambodia, when he > >tried to destroy cities and make everyone part of village community > life. > > > >so co-operation is different if you have a lead village or town - a > >heirachy is created rather than the peer to peer networking possible > >between autonomous self-organized local communities - villages. > > > >so can you find some examples of this Guiseppe to illustrate these > >differences, heirachy and peer to peer in practice. And how > videobriodge > >woudl be in co-operation for each of these models repsectively. > > > >Lastly also look at social cooperation in a village, for example does > the > >women's circle talk to the men's drinking group in the pub? does the > >church talk to the school? Does the garden club interact in some way > with > >the aerobics group? And how might video-bridge facilitate or be an > >element in that? > > > >markus > > > >On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 8:37 PM, Giuseppe Silvi <[ > >mailto:giuseppesilvi at yahoo.it ]giuseppesilvi at yahoo.it> wrote: > > > > > > > >Hi Mark, Hi all > > > > > >I attach here a .pdf with a first attempt to understand how to define > the > >"Social Cooperation Patterns" ... just a kind of personal > >"brain storming" through looking at some websites. > > > > > >It is just a start ..... and there is a lot of study and research ahead > >to accomplish my assignement / task. > > > > > >Cheers, > >Giuseppe Silvi > > > > > >Live world statistics on population, government and economics, society > >and media, environoment, energy, food, water, and health (available in > 32 > >languages) > >[ http://www.worldometers.info ]http://www.worldometers.info > >[ http://www.realtimestatistics.org/projects.php > >]http://www.realtimestatistics..org/projects.php > > > > > > > > > >Da: Mark Petz <[ mailto:ravenwyn at gmail.com ]ravenwyn at gmail.com> > >A: [ mailto:videobridgebuilders at globalvillages.org > >]videobridgebuilders at globalvillages.org > >Inviato: Ven 8 gennaio 2010, 14:48:08 > >Oggetto: [VBbuilders] is any HELP needed. what is your status??? URGENT > > > > > >Hi All > > > >I have been through all the mails that came re video-bridge and tried > to > >assist people in developing the patterns. I know we will do more in > Vein. > >BUT in accordance with my task to support you I want to know: > > > >1. Is there anyone that has not managed to do any work on their > >assigments yet? Do you need help with that? > > > >2. Particularly to to Franz, but others too, where might most usefully > >more work time be applied now by me? > > > >Ciaokka! > > > >Markus > >PS there does not seem any movement on the follow-up project so I'd > like > >some progress on that from others - scope, theme and amount we want to > >get are particulalry important for me to do follow-up. > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Videobridgebuilders mailing list > >Videobridgebuilders at globalvillages.org > >http://globalvillages.org/mailman/listinfo/videobridgebuilders > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From f.nahrada at reflex.at Sat Jan 9 15:59:39 2010 From: f.nahrada at reflex.at (Franz Nahrada) Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 15:59:39 +0100 Subject: [VBbuilders] HINTERLAND - Germany and Poland (-> spatial patterns) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mark Petz schreibt: >Reminds me of > >[ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_town >]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_town > >these Market Towns held a charter and thence all sorts of other rights >and responsibilities could en-shew. DO we see a similar concept with a >VideoBridge Quartermaster role where the smaller video bridge locations >in a surrounding village could be supported? > >So in Greece for example every village hall / church / ouzu caf? (1 per >village) could have a Vbridge location and thus this be the hub to >connect with the newly created district councils? > >I wonder what the costings on such a network might be AS WELL AS THE >SAVINGS for environment and fuel costs for the citizen participation. > >Mark. I think we need to think and work pragmatically here. 1. We are far from even the realisation of the first VB location (besides Kirchbach which comes with its own experiences) and we need to think how we can start up something which is not only sustainable, but really also feeding the process. One model that could work is the one I discussed with governor Wilcinsky of the Opole Region in Poland, and that is also a special reason why Jakub participates. The idea is to intentionally build the competences of one place per region, could be in a small town, could be even in a theme village, as a hub for the communication within European projects. (a very plausible concept of "Global Village" that can be embedded even in a regional development plan and can get us in the regional policy domaiin). It is very clear that a Europe of Regions can only exist with dedicated regional communication centers that allow for communication and co-operation. The new regional comissioner is Austrian, and he might beinterested in that..... So the initial purpose of such a place or "Global Village" is to attract many networks that need to communicate and interact, give them the best possible work conditions (Holiwork) and the ability to host and showcase events at one particular place. A good and authentic local development stage is very very favorable to such a process. This might be still far away from the everyday life of the regional inhabitants, but it could create the ground from which to start by cross - subsidising basic education.... Call it "rural collaboration center" or something similar. We could dock into the many movements, hub movement etc. - What about CARREFOUR and stuff, I am not that knowledgeable. But by having the International Council of ECOVAST embedded in the middle of our workshop its a unique opportunity to send a message and include ECOVAST fully in this mission. 2. In a microskale this might repeat in districts, as you rightfully observe. There is a trend in politics to enforce collaborative structures between communities in microregions, villages in physical proximities and so on. The reason is a simple economic calculation, the calucation that they have to share dwindling resources and that means for example that not every community can have a government supported sports pool. So there is a vital chance that several neighbouring villages might start to overcome century old jealousies, and start to act as an alliance of forces that declares a mild version of zoning. So we might have the wellness village, the cultural village, the techno-business village and so on. Then its very clear that video bridge locations might be part of such a setting, whilst not yet every "piazza" becomes a "telematica". There might be again one village out of five or ten that offers this "specialty". Car or other means of local transportation is still needed - but short rides..... It could be very similar like a watchmakers or piano repair service - not enough to be sustained within a village, but a district may have critical mass. So in the end it is a saving. And you are right Markus with the "Quartermaster" concept, so we could imagine setups that can be mobile in districts. Places could be available, internet connections could be available, and then comes the minibus and brings cameras, mixers, sound system etc. All this is what I want to include in the assignment of spatial patterns, and I hope Jarmila and Thomas Cs. take special notice of that. I Include our dear geography master Arthur Spiegler whoi will assist the work on spatial patterns for learning plaves during the workshop. We have a mighty braintrust here (Phil, Pam, Guiseppe and many others) and we should be able to come up with something really good. I also organized inspirational input - Dr. Ingrid Schwarz, a head of an NGO has completed a Grundtvig Learning Partnership on "Learning Places", she was awarded the titlke of Austrian Grundtvig ambassador and she is a geographer too by education. sorry for being silent some time, but we have quite a lot of preparation work to do here that nobody sees..... Franz From p.turner at ruralnet.org.uk Sat Jan 9 17:59:12 2010 From: p.turner at ruralnet.org.uk (Phil Turner) Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 16:59:12 GMT Subject: [VBbuilders] =?iso-8859-1?q?HINTERLAND_-_Germany_and_Poland_=28-?= =?iso-8859-1?q?=3E_spatial_=09patterns=29?= In-Reply-To: References: <,> Message-ID: Franz Good thinking Phil PS Snow and frost here has prevented me from travelling further than the local shop since Wednesday. The car has not moved since Tuesday. The forecast for southern and eastern UK is for more snow and conditions may not improve for a week - even then it could be a problem. Pam McClean and I fly from Gatwick on Subday 17th. That airport has suffered delays and cancellation in recent days. I see from TV this afternoon that Fankfurt airport is suffering from cancelled flights. How is Vienna? ----------------------------------------------- "Franz Nahrada" writes: >Mark Petz schreibt: > >>Reminds me of >> >>[ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_town >>]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_town >> >>these Market Towns held a charter and thence all sorts of other rights >>and responsibilities could en-shew. DO we see a similar concept with a >>VideoBridge Quartermaster role where the smaller video bridge >locations >>in a surrounding village could be supported? >> >>So in Greece for example every village hall / church / ouzu caf? (1 >per >>village) could have a Vbridge location and thus this be the hub to >>connect with the newly created district councils? >> >>I wonder what the costings on such a network might be AS WELL AS THE >>SAVINGS for environment and fuel costs for the citizen participation. >> >>Mark. > > >I think we need to think and work pragmatically here. > >1. > >We are far from even the realisation of the first VB location (besides >Kirchbach which comes with its own experiences) and we need to think how >we can start up something which is not only sustainable, but really also >feeding the process. > >One model that could work is the one I discussed with governor Wilcinsky >of the Opole Region in Poland, and that is also a special reason why Jakub >participates. > >The idea is to intentionally build the competences of one place per >region, could be in a small town, could be even in a theme village, as a >hub for the communication within European projects. (a very plausible >concept of "Global Village" that can be embedded even in a >regional >development plan and can get us in the regional policy domaiin). It is >very clear that a Europe of Regions can only exist with dedicated regional >communication centers that allow for communication and co-operation. > >The new regional comissioner is Austrian, and he might beinterested in >that..... > >So the initial purpose of such a place or "Global Village" is >to attract >many networks that need to communicate and interact, give them the best >possible work conditions (Holiwork) and the ability to host and showcase >events at one particular place. A good and authentic local development >stage is very very favorable to such a process. > >This might be still far away from the everyday life of the regional >inhabitants, but it could create the ground from which to start by cross - >subsidising basic education.... > >Call it "rural collaboration center" or something similar. We >could dock >into the many movements, hub movement etc. - What about CARREFOUR and >stuff, I am not that knowledgeable. But by having the International >Council of ECOVAST embedded in the middle of our workshop its a unique >opportunity to send a message and include ECOVAST fully in this mission. > >2. > >In a microskale this might repeat in districts, as you rightfully observe. >There is a trend in politics to enforce collaborative structures between >communities in microregions, villages in physical proximities and so on. >The reason is a simple economic calculation, the calucation that they have >to share dwindling resources and that means for example that not every >community can have a government supported sports pool. > >So there is a vital chance that several neighbouring villages might start >to overcome century old jealousies, and start to act as an alliance of >forces that declares a mild version of zoning. So we might have the >wellness village, the cultural village, the techno-business village and so >on. > >Then its very clear that video bridge locations might be part of such a >setting, whilst not yet every "piazza" becomes a >"telematica". There might >be again one village out of five or ten that offers this >"specialty". Car >or other means of local transportation is still needed - but short >rides..... It could be very similar like a watchmakers or piano repair >service - not enough to be sustained within a village, but a district may >have critical mass. So in the end it is a saving. > >And you are right Markus with the "Quartermaster" concept, so >we could >imagine setups that can be mobile in districts. Places could be available, >internet connections could be available, and then comes the minibus and >brings cameras, mixers, sound system etc. > > >All this is what I want to include in the assignment of spatial patterns, >and I hope Jarmila and Thomas Cs. take special notice of that. I Include >our dear geography master Arthur Spiegler whoi will assist the work on >spatial patterns for learning plaves during the workshop. We have a mighty >braintrust here (Phil, Pam, Guiseppe and many others) and we should be >able to come up with something really good. I also organized inspirational >input - Dr. Ingrid Schwarz, a head of an NGO has completed a Grundtvig >Learning Partnership on "Learning Places", she was awarded the >titlke of >Austrian Grundtvig ambassador and she is a geographer too by education. > >sorry for being silent some time, but we have quite a lot of preparation >work to do here that nobody sees..... > >Franz > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Videobridgebuilders mailing list >Videobridgebuilders at globalvillages.org >http://globalvillages.org/mailman/listinfo/videobridgebuilders > > From S.D.Thompson at tees.ac.uk Sat Jan 9 18:04:42 2010 From: S.D.Thompson at tees.ac.uk (Thompson, Steve) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 17:04:42 +0000 Subject: [VBbuilders] HINTERLAND - Germany and Poland (-> spatial patterns) In-Reply-To: References: <,> , Message-ID: <91B61ED273D46E4589DA358ABD11872DF515EC3787@HOLLYCLUSTER.windows.tees.ac.uk> I too have been a pedestian today. Snow quite a challenge here. Barry and I play to fly out from Teesside next Sunday. Hoping flights will be OK Steve Thompson Community Media Manager Institute of Digital Innovation Teesside University M - 07795 826953 E - s.d.thompson at tees.ac.uk W - www.steve-thompson.org.uk ________________________________________ From: videobridgebuilders-bounces at globalvillages.org [videobridgebuilders-bounces at globalvillages.org] On Behalf Of Phil Turner [p.turner at ruralnet.org.uk] Sent: 09 January 2010 16:59 To: Franz Nahrada Cc: Arthur Spiegler; videobridgebuilders at globalvillages.org Subject: Re: [VBbuilders] HINTERLAND - Germany and Poland (-> spatial patterns) Franz Good thinking Phil PS Snow and frost here has prevented me from travelling further than the local shop since Wednesday. The car has not moved since Tuesday. The forecast for southern and eastern UK is for more snow and conditions may not improve for a week - even then it could be a problem. Pam McClean and I fly from Gatwick on Subday 17th. That airport has suffered delays and cancellation in recent days. I see from TV this afternoon that Fankfurt airport is suffering from cancelled flights. How is Vienna? ----------------------------------------------- "Franz Nahrada" writes: >Mark Petz schreibt: > >>Reminds me of >> >>[ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_town >>]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_town >> >>these Market Towns held a charter and thence all sorts of other rights >>and responsibilities could en-shew. DO we see a similar concept with a >>VideoBridge Quartermaster role where the smaller video bridge >locations >>in a surrounding village could be supported? >> >>So in Greece for example every village hall / church / ouzu caf? (1 >per >>village) could have a Vbridge location and thus this be the hub to >>connect with the newly created district councils? >> >>I wonder what the costings on such a network might be AS WELL AS THE >>SAVINGS for environment and fuel costs for the citizen participation. >> >>Mark. > > >I think we need to think and work pragmatically here. > >1. > >We are far from even the realisation of the first VB location (besides >Kirchbach which comes with its own experiences) and we need to think how >we can start up something which is not only sustainable, but really also >feeding the process. > >One model that could work is the one I discussed with governor Wilcinsky >of the Opole Region in Poland, and that is also a special reason why Jakub >participates. > >The idea is to intentionally build the competences of one place per >region, could be in a small town, could be even in a theme village, as a >hub for the communication within European projects. (a very plausible >concept of "Global Village" that can be embedded even in a >regional >development plan and can get us in the regional policy domaiin). It is >very clear that a Europe of Regions can only exist with dedicated regional >communication centers that allow for communication and co-operation. > >The new regional comissioner is Austrian, and he might beinterested in >that..... > >So the initial purpose of such a place or "Global Village" is >to attract >many networks that need to communicate and interact, give them the best >possible work conditions (Holiwork) and the ability to host and showcase >events at one particular place. A good and authentic local development >stage is very very favorable to such a process. > >This might be still far away from the everyday life of the regional >inhabitants, but it could create the ground from which to start by cross - >subsidising basic education.... > >Call it "rural collaboration center" or something similar. We >could dock >into the many movements, hub movement etc. - What about CARREFOUR and >stuff, I am not that knowledgeable. But by having the International >Council of ECOVAST embedded in the middle of our workshop its a unique >opportunity to send a message and include ECOVAST fully in this mission. > >2. > >In a microskale this might repeat in districts, as you rightfully observe. >There is a trend in politics to enforce collaborative structures between >communities in microregions, villages in physical proximities and so on. >The reason is a simple economic calculation, the calucation that they have >to share dwindling resources and that means for example that not every >community can have a government supported sports pool. > >So there is a vital chance that several neighbouring villages might start >to overcome century old jealousies, and start to act as an alliance of >forces that declares a mild version of zoning. So we might have the >wellness village, the cultural village, the techno-business village and so >on. > >Then its very clear that video bridge locations might be part of such a >setting, whilst not yet every "piazza" becomes a >"telematica". There might >be again one village out of five or ten that offers this >"specialty". Car >or other means of local transportation is still needed - but short >rides..... It could be very similar like a watchmakers or piano repair >service - not enough to be sustained within a village, but a district may >have critical mass. So in the end it is a saving. > >And you are right Markus with the "Quartermaster" concept, so >we could >imagine setups that can be mobile in districts. Places could be available, >internet connections could be available, and then comes the minibus and >brings cameras, mixers, sound system etc. > > >All this is what I want to include in the assignment of spatial patterns, >and I hope Jarmila and Thomas Cs. take special notice of that. I Include >our dear geography master Arthur Spiegler whoi will assist the work on >spatial patterns for learning plaves during the workshop. We have a mighty >braintrust here (Phil, Pam, Guiseppe and many others) and we should be >able to come up with something really good. I also organized inspirational >input - Dr. Ingrid Schwarz, a head of an NGO has completed a Grundtvig >Learning Partnership on "Learning Places", she was awarded the >titlke of >Austrian Grundtvig ambassador and she is a geographer too by education. > >sorry for being silent some time, but we have quite a lot of preparation >work to do here that nobody sees..... > >Franz > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Videobridgebuilders mailing list >Videobridgebuilders at globalvillages.org >http://globalvillages.org/mailman/listinfo/videobridgebuilders > > _______________________________________________ Videobridgebuilders mailing list Videobridgebuilders at globalvillages.org http://globalvillages.org/mailman/listinfo/videobridgebuilders From pitlik at miau.gau.hu Sat Jan 9 19:59:14 2010 From: pitlik at miau.gau.hu (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pitlik_L=E1szl=F3?=) Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 19:59:14 +0100 Subject: [VBbuilders] HINTERLAND - Germany and Poland (-> spatial patterns) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B48D202.9020002@miau.gau.hu> > not yet every "piazza" becomes a "telematica". The data-driven decision making could detect automatically, which object (=piazza/village) seems mostly to be capable, to transform into telematica. The local players could be prepared to explore their real chances/position - compared to other objects (e.g. villages). __________ ESET NOD32 Antivirus - V?rusdefin?ci?s adatb?zis: 4753 (20100108) __________ Az ?zenetet az ESET NOD32 Antivirus ellen?rizte. http://www.eset.hu From f.nahrada at reflex.at Sat Jan 9 20:34:46 2010 From: f.nahrada at reflex.at (Franz Nahrada) Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 20:34:46 +0100 Subject: [VBbuilders] =?iso-8859-1?q?HINTERLAND_-_Germany_and_Poland_=28-?= =?iso-8859-1?q?=3E_spatial_=09patterns=29?= In-Reply-To: <4B48D202.9020002@miau.gau.hu> References: <4B48D202.9020002@miau.gau.hu> Message-ID: Pitlik L?szl? writes: >The data-driven decision making could detect automatically, which object >(=piazza/village) seems mostly to be capable, to transform into >telematica. >The local players could be prepared to explore their real >chances/position - compared to other objects (e.g. villages). > I am in doubt if we can really determine potentials by statistics and maybe you did not mean that. We could say that the human body consists out of 75% water, and that much nitrogen and carbon, without knowing much about the shape or potential of the human. The difference between life and death, between success and failure might be sometimes in the details. Part of the goal of pattern languages is to develop a more wholistic and intuitive view towards potentials than with isolated facts. Often there is a high degree of speculation necessary, a good deal of design, of scenario - building. Pattern Languages seek to reduce the uncertainty in such speculations by allowing us to use already proven elements or processes in constructing a new reality. But they do not take away our freedom to decide, they rather increase it by giving us alternatives. For example, the piazza telematica might be an attractor that spurs non-predictable processes of networking, collaboration and wealth creation. A small village might develop a spirit of ambition. There might be more openness and less preset activities. Also, if a district has to decide, competition is the worst solution. Rural areas cannot really stand purely competitive behaviour, it takes away their lifeblood, which is balance-seeking negociation and agreements. An "electronic sense" for complex realities is nothing bad, but as the statistic guy in that one TED Video that Markus pointed at, that finally swallowed the sword, said: we must always be prepared for the highly unprobable to happen.... just my 2cents here. I should try to focus on organisation ;-) Franz From pitlik at miau.gau.hu Sat Jan 9 21:23:29 2010 From: pitlik at miau.gau.hu (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pitlik_L=E1szl=F3?=) Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 21:23:29 +0100 Subject: [VBbuilders] HINTERLAND - Germany and Poland (-> spatial=?ISO-8859-1?Q? patterns=29?= In-Reply-To: References: <4B48D202.9020002@miau.gau.hu> Message-ID: <4B48E5C1.8080203@miau.gau.hu> >> The data-driven decision making could detect automatically, which object >> (=piazza/village) seems mostly to be capable, to transform into >> telematica. >> The local players could be prepared to explore their real >> chances/position - compared to other objects (e.g. villages). >> >> > I am in doubt if we can really determine potentials by statistics We can not determine the future: we can "only" generate suspicion / detect chances! The LEADER-projects-experiences show significantly: a lot of activities might not have allowed, because the local players had no real pre-conditions contrary to other "competitors" (as far as common/ sources are concerned). I would not like to "kill" any activities on the one hand, but on the other hand: it is not correct to support illogical processes (being detectable in advance). It is not sustainable, if common sources are involved into projects, but not efficient used... c.f. : http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2007/04/data_driven_policy.html Negative example: The environment protection movements (green force fields) without appropriate analyses are (frequently and definitely) incorrect (c.f. demagogy or "deep-green" expertises or "environmentalists")... To be only intuitive = blind flight (in case of complex systems like social processes nowadays). For me: http://miau.gau.hu/miau2009/index.php3?x=e16 Video-bridging is a sophisticated frame to transfer knowledge. Data-driven decision making is an important content (or universal knowledge element of future). No phalanstery!, rather rationalism, pragmatism, objectivism = objective sustainability. Of course: each individual or community has the right to be intuitive and Free, but the evolution has also force field to signal consequences of bad decisions. The data-driven thinking (=holistic controlling) is a form of the fine tuned intuition. Problems should be detected in an intuitive way - decisions will be also made by people. But measurements can be involved into the preparation of decisions. The real future of local players is depending on the exploration of their real chances. This exploration can be made only intuitive or partially based on facts ... The most of available resources should be offered for communities having real chances (detecting in advance). __________ ESET NOD32 Antivirus - V?rusdefin?ci?s adatb?zis: 4753 (20100108) __________ Az ?zenetet az ESET NOD32 Antivirus ellen?rizte. http://www.eset.hu From p.turner at ruralnet.org.uk Sat Jan 9 00:01:55 2010 From: p.turner at ruralnet.org.uk (Phil Turner) Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 23:01:55 GMT Subject: [VBbuilders] HINTERLAND - Germany and Poland In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mark and Guiseppe, HINTERLAND - I agree with Mark that it is important See the ECOVAST work on small towns and villages and their surrounding areas: http://ecovastdiscussion.ning.com/forum/topics/small-towns-draft-position There you will find two downloads - attached here. In drafting these, we were careful not to use the term 'hinterland' because of the different meanings in German and English langauges. Nevertheless, we used the word in preparatory discussions. ECOVAST's project ASSET ? Action to Strengthen the Small European Town ? is seeing results from research that show good links between towns and hinterland, except where infrastructure is lacking. Small Towns fall into a policy gap between Cities and Rural. They are hubs for economic, social and cultural activity, offering markets and service facilities, and beneficial to all. The European Commission (DG REGIO) is considering Territorial Cohesion Policy and at recent seminars the following was recorded: The area around Prague could be characterised as an urban core with suburban places, peripheral settlements and a rural hinterland. There was ?polycentricity? of peri-urban and rural settlements. Prague (with reference to ESPON work) region has 250 micro-regions based on labour markets. Rural hinterlands have an important role. A tissue of small towns and surrounding areas ? POLYCENTRICITY. This includes places ?at the edge? and at the ?inner periphery?. Phil ------------------ Mark Petz writes: >"Social Cooperation Patterns" that is a great look at what >a village is. I think that you should also look at the Hinterland model: > >[ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinterland >]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinterland > >there is a lot of esp. German deductions from this. It may not be >accurate, but it informs policy with the idea of a city having to be >responsible for towns that are responsible for villages. > >RATHER than villages interlinking in a network by themselves without any >cities. > >My and I think Franz's proffered solution. > >Incidentally the Digger and Levellers had elements of these village based >communities in their philosophies as did Pol Pot in Cambodia, when he >tried to destroy cities and make everyone part of village community life. > >so co-operation is different if you have a lead village or town - a >heirachy is created rather than the peer to peer networking possible >between autonomous self-organized local communities - villages. > >so can you find some examples of this Guiseppe to illustrate these >differences, heirachy and peer to peer in practice. And how videobriodge >woudl be in co-operation for each of these models repsectively. > >Lastly also look at social cooperation in a village, for example does the >women's circle talk to the men's drinking group in the pub? does the >church talk to the school? Does the garden club interact in some way with >the aerobics group? And how might video-bridge facilitate or be an >element in that? > >markus > >On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 8:37 PM, Giuseppe Silvi <[ >mailto:giuseppesilvi at yahoo.it ]giuseppesilvi at yahoo.it> wrote: > > > >Hi Mark, Hi all > > >I attach here a .pdf with a first attempt to understand how to define the >"Social Cooperation Patterns" ... just a kind of personal >"brain storming" through looking at some websites. > > >It is just a start ..... and there is a lot of study and research ahead >to accomplish my assignement / task. > > >Cheers, >Giuseppe Silvi > > >Live world statistics on population, government and economics, society >and media, environoment, energy, food, water, and health (available in 32 >languages) >[ http://www.worldometers.info ]http://www.worldometers.info >[ http://www.realtimestatistics.org/projects.php >]http://www.realtimestatistics.org/projects.php > > > > >Da: Mark Petz <[ mailto:ravenwyn at gmail.com ]ravenwyn at gmail.com> >A: [ mailto:videobridgebuilders at globalvillages.org >]videobridgebuilders at globalvillages.org >Inviato: Ven 8 gennaio 2010, 14:48:08 >Oggetto: [VBbuilders] is any HELP needed. what is your status??? URGENT > > >Hi All > >I have been through all the mails that came re video-bridge and tried to >assist people in developing the patterns. I know we will do more in Vein. >BUT in accordance with my task to support you I want to know: > >1. Is there anyone that has not managed to do any work on their >assigments yet? Do you need help with that? > >2. Particularly to to Franz, but others too, where might most usefully >more work time be applied now by me? > >Ciaokka! > >Markus >PS there does not seem any movement on the follow-up project so I'd like >some progress on that from others - scope, theme and amount we want to >get are particulalry important for me to do follow-up. > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Videobridgebuilders mailing list >Videobridgebuilders at globalvillages.org >http://globalvillages.org/mailman/listinfo/videobridgebuilders > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It's all just stream of conciousness writing with no time to proof read and I'm sure I have gone way way off topic too. http://contentaggregationpatterns.wikispaces.com/ Steve Thompson Community Media Manager Institute of Digital Innovation Teesside University M - 07795 826953 E - s.d.thompson at tees.ac.uk W - www.steve-thompson.org.uk From S.D.Thompson at tees.ac.uk Sun Jan 10 14:58:34 2010 From: S.D.Thompson at tees.ac.uk (Thompson, Steve) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 13:58:34 +0000 Subject: [VBbuilders] Content Aggregation Patterns In-Reply-To: <91B61ED273D46E4589DA358ABD11872DF515EC3791@HOLLYCLUSTER.windows.tees.ac.uk> References: <91B61ED273D46E4589DA358ABD11872DF515EC3791@HOLLYCLUSTER.windows.tees.ac.uk> Message-ID: <91B61ED273D46E4589DA358ABD11872DF515EC3793@HOLLYCLUSTER.windows.tees.ac.uk> oops - should have said that the reason for the plethora of logos on my wiki is to keep folks happy - they represent the projects that are setting me free for 2 weeks to be in Vienna Steve Thompson Community Media Manager Institute of Digital Innovation Teesside University M - 07795 826953 E - s.d.thompson at tees.ac.uk W - www.steve-thompson.org.uk ________________________________________ From: videobridgebuilders-bounces at globalvillages.org [videobridgebuilders-bounces at globalvillages.org] On Behalf Of Thompson, Steve [S.D.Thompson at tees.ac.uk] Sent: 10 January 2010 13:39 To: Phil Turner; Mark Petz; Cc: videobridgebuilders at globalvillages.org Subject: [VBbuilders] Content Aggregation Patterns Hi All, As promised I have added to the Wiki I began. It's all just stream of conciousness writing with no time to proof read and I'm sure I have gone way way off topic too. http://contentaggregationpatterns.wikispaces.com/ Steve Thompson Community Media Manager Institute of Digital Innovation Teesside University M - 07795 826953 E - s.d.thompson at tees.ac.uk W - www.steve-thompson.org.uk _______________________________________________ Videobridgebuilders mailing list Videobridgebuilders at globalvillages.org http://globalvillages.org/mailman/listinfo/videobridgebuilders From knut.berndorfer at utanet.at Sun Jan 10 17:44:46 2010 From: knut.berndorfer at utanet.at (Knut Berndorfer) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 17:44:46 +0100 Subject: [VBbuilders] dialogue social impact Message-ID: <8CB8DE02375E423598E8ACFE2AFE6A57@COMPAQ> In a phonecall with Franz we discussed the "dialoguepattern" briefly and how dialogue could support communal learning and social transformation. At the end of our talk he asked me the question: What and how can VideoBridge contribute to Dialogue?. Before giving an early answer I would like to clarify with you, what my understanding of dialogue is (maybe some of you know about David Bohms work and of the MIT Boston, but probably not all). I thought sending you a short paper (scanned), which captures it best for me in 2 pages. You might have a look. In any way I will present something during the pattern sessions. Knut -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From knut.berndorfer at utanet.at Sun Jan 10 17:46:19 2010 From: knut.berndorfer at utanet.at (Knut Berndorfer) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 17:46:19 +0100 Subject: [VBbuilders] Fw: dialogue social impact Message-ID: I forgot to insert the scanned paper In a phonecall with Franz we discussed the "dialoguepattern" briefly and how dialogue could support communal learning and social transformation. 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Enabling rather than putting up burocratic barriers is my way of looking at things m On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 10:23 PM, Pitlik L?szl? wrote: > > The data-driven decision making could detect automatically, which object >>> (=piazza/village) seems mostly to be capable, to transform into >>> telematica. >>> The local players could be prepared to explore their real >>> chances/position - compared to other objects (e.g. villages). >>> >>> >>> >> I am in doubt if we can really determine potentials by statistics >> > We can not determine the future: we can "only" generate suspicion / detect > chances! > The LEADER-projects-experiences show significantly: a lot of activities > might not have allowed, because the local players had no real pre-conditions > contrary to other "competitors" (as far as common/ sources are concerned). > I would not like to "kill" any activities on the one hand, but on the other > hand: it is not correct to support illogical processes (being detectable in > advance). > It is not sustainable, if common sources are involved into projects, but > not efficient used... > > c.f. : > http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2007/04/data_driven_policy.html > > Negative example: The environment protection movements (green force fields) > without appropriate analyses are (frequently and definitely) incorrect (c.f. > demagogy or "deep-green" expertises or "environmentalists")... > > To be only intuitive = blind flight (in case of complex systems like social > processes nowadays). > > For me: http://miau.gau.hu/miau2009/index.php3?x=e16 > Video-bridging is a sophisticated frame to transfer knowledge. > Data-driven decision making is an important content (or universal knowledge > element of future). > No phalanstery!, rather rationalism, pragmatism, objectivism = objective > sustainability. > > Of course: each individual or community has the right to be intuitive and > Free, but the evolution has also force field to signal consequences of bad > decisions. > The data-driven thinking (=holistic controlling) is a form of the fine > tuned intuition. > Problems should be detected in an intuitive way - decisions will be also > made by people. But measurements can be involved into the preparation of > decisions. > > The real future of local players is depending on the exploration of their > real chances. > This exploration can be made only intuitive or partially based on facts ... > The most of available resources should be offered for communities having > real chances (detecting in advance). > > > > > __________ ESET NOD32 Antivirus - V?rusdefin?ci?s adatb?zis: 4753 > (20100108) __________ > > Az ?zenetet az ESET NOD32 Antivirus ellen?rizte. > > http://www.eset.hu > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Teach a man to /fish/; and you can sell him /fishing/ equipment." = Data-driven policy making = knowledge and equipment to be able to see, what is necessary and what is impossible, but wanted... __________ ESET NOD32 Antivirus - V?rusdefin?ci?s adatb?zis: 4760 (20100111) __________ Az ?zenetet az ESET NOD32 Antivirus ellen?rizte. http://www.eset.hu From pitlik at miau.gau.hu Mon Jan 11 13:53:34 2010 From: pitlik at miau.gau.hu (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pitlik_L=E1szl=F3?=) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 13:53:34 +0100 Subject: [VBbuilders] HINTERLAND - Germany and Poland =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=28-> ?= spatial patterns) In-Reply-To: References: < > < > <4B48D202.9020002@miau.gau.hu> < > < > <4B48E5C1.8080203@miau.gau.hu> <, > <, > <4B4B16B3.4050107@miau.gau.hu> Message-ID: <4B4B1F4E.4010707@miau.gau.hu> > You mention fishing - here attached is an enlightening article on HOW to > fish sustainably. > > HOW to fish SUSTAINABILITY = ("correct" / risk-minimized directions and measurements for activities of rural players)! __________ ESET NOD32 Antivirus - V?rusdefin?ci?s adatb?zis: 4760 (20100111) __________ Az ?zenetet az ESET NOD32 Antivirus ellen?rizte. http://www.eset.hu From p.turner at ruralnet.org.uk Mon Jan 11 13:50:07 2010 From: p.turner at ruralnet.org.uk (Phil Turner) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 12:50:07 GMT Subject: [VBbuilders] =?iso-8859-1?q?***SPAM***_Re=3A__HINTERLAND_-_German?= =?iso-8859-1?q?y_and_Poland_=28-=3E=09=09spatial=09patterns=29?= In-Reply-To: <4B4B16B3.4050107@miau.gau.hu> References: < > < > <4B48D202.9020002@miau.gau.hu> < > < > <4B48E5C1.8080203@miau.gau.hu> <, > <,> <4B4B16B3.4050107@miau.gau.hu> Message-ID: Lazlo Thanks. Very helpful You mention fishing - here attached is an enlightening article on HOW to fish sustainably. It is written by Hannes Lorenzen of PREPARE and FORUM SYNERGIES Phil ------ Pitlik L?szl? writes: > >> yes preconditions for launching on a ciommunity are good, but we can >> help peopel build that capacity. Enabling rather than putting up >> burocratic barriers is my way of looking at things >> >Building capacity <-- Unfortunately each activity can not be always >successful... >I think, we talk about the same phenomanon with 2 preference-system: >A-system = giving chance (=opportunity) >B-system = planning chance (=probability) and risk and giving chance >(=opportunity) only, if risks are limited... > >"/Give/ a man a /fish/; you have fed him for today. Teach a man to >/fish/; and you can sell him /fishing/ equipment." >= Data-driven policy making = knowledge and equipment to be able to see, >what is necessary and what is impossible, but wanted... > > > >__________ ESET NOD32 Antivirus - V?rusdefin?ci?s adatb?zis: 4760 >(20100111) __________ > >Az ?zenetet az ESET NOD32 Antivirus ellenrizte. > >http://www.eset.hu > > >_______________________________________________ >Videobridgebuilders mailing list >Videobridgebuilders at globalvillages.org >http://globalvillages.org/mailman/listinfo/videobridgebuilders > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I want an open source way that people can set up bridges and we improve efficacies, not barriers that stop villagers getting connected, there are enough of those already. M 2010/1/11 Pitlik L?szl? > > yes preconditions for launching on a ciommunity are good, but we can help >> peopel build that capacity. Enabling rather than putting up burocratic >> barriers is my way of looking at things >> >> Building capacity <-- Unfortunately each activity can not be always > successful... > I think, we talk about the same phenomanon with 2 preference-system: > A-system = giving chance (=opportunity) > B-system = planning chance (=probability) and risk and giving chance > (=opportunity) only, if risks are limited... > > "/Give/ a man a /fish/; you have fed him for today. Teach a man to /fish/; > and you can sell him /fishing/ equipment." > = Data-driven policy making = knowledge and equipment to be able to see, > what is necessary and what is impossible, but wanted... > > > > __________ ESET NOD32 Antivirus - V?rusdefin?ci?s adatb?zis: 4760 > (20100111) __________ > > > Az ?zenetet az ESET NOD32 Antivirus ellen?rizte. > > http://www.eset.hu > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From giuseppesilvi at yahoo.it Wed Jan 13 10:48:02 2010 From: giuseppesilvi at yahoo.it (Giuseppe Silvi) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 09:48:02 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [VBbuilders] ***SPAM*** I: [wg-all] Announcement of new TERENA task force: TF-Media Message-ID: <520543.43984.qm@web25608.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Good morning, I forward this announcement .... it could be useful to know for our common activities and projects. Regards Giuseppe Silvi ----- Messaggio inoltrato ----- Da: Carrie Solomon Inviato: Mar 12 gennaio 2010, 15:29:18 Oggetto: [wg-all] Announcement of new TERENA task force: TF-Media Dear all, On 1 January 2010, a new TERENA task force came into effect called TF-Media. TF-Media was established under the auspices of TERENA to collect ideas, knowledge and experiences about the technical, administrative and legal aspects of federated multimedia production, management and distribution services on a pan-European scale. The task force is open to all and targets those building, deploying and/or operating multimedia systems/services at an NREN or university and/or is interested in the related collaboration, standardisation, legal and promotional issues. More information about the TF-Media can be found in the enclosed information sheet. Please feel free to share this information with anyone you think may be interested. The first official meeting of the task force will take place on 18-19 March in Athens, Greece and will be hosted by GRNET. Best regards, TERENA Secretariat _________________________ Carrie Solomon Communications Officer TERENA Secretariat Singel 468 D, 1017 AW Amsterdam, The Netherlands www.terena.org a Tel: + 31 20 530 4488 Fax: + 31 20 530 4499 __________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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BUT I do not see 1. Where the money comes from to pay to go there. 2. How this is useful to many of us. But then I only looked briefly on the website, perhaps there is some practical things we can apply rather than just conference hoping. Its good to know others doing related things. But if anyone can show useful stuff from it that is also good. markus On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 9:48 AM, Giuseppe Silvi wrote: > Good morning, > > I forward this announcement .... it could be useful to know for our common > activities and projects. > > Regards > > Giuseppe Silvi > > > > ----- Messaggio inoltrato ----- > *Da:* Carrie Solomon > *Inviato:* Mar 12 gennaio 2010, 15:29:18 > *Oggetto:* [wg-all] Announcement of new TERENA task force: TF-Media > > Dear all, > > On 1 January 2010, a new TERENA task force came into effect called * > TF-Media.* TF-Media was established under the auspices of TERENA to > collect ideas, knowledge and experiences about the technical, administrative > and legal aspects of federated multimedia production, management and > distribution services on a pan-European scale. > > The task force is open to all and targets those building, deploying and/or > operating multimedia systems/services at an NREN or university and/or is > interested in the related collaboration, standardisation, legal and > promotional issues. > > More information about the TF-Media can be found in the enclosed > information sheet. 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Steve Thompson Community Media Manager Institute of Digital Innovation Teesside University M - 07795 826953 E - s.d.thompson at tees.ac.uk W - www.steve-thompson.org.uk From ms at ms.lt Sun Jan 17 17:29:15 2010 From: ms at ms.lt (Andrius Kulikauskas) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 18:29:15 +0200 Subject: [VBbuilders] Video bridging with Kennedy Owino In-Reply-To: <205711.76797.qm@web56708.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <4B4F35B6.4070009@ms.lt> <205711.76797.qm@web56708.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B533ADB.8090805@ms.lt> Hi Kennedy, Thank you for replying. Greetings from Vienna, Austria where we're assembling for Franz Nahrada's video communications workshop. We'll think how you and others might best participate virtually. You and all are welcome to join the Yahoo group: http://globalvillages.org/mailman/listinfo/videobridgebuilders and Ning site http://videobridge.ning.com Hi for now! Andrius Kulikauskas Minciu Sodas http://www.ms.lt ms at ms.lt Kennedy Owino wrote: > Hi Andrius, > I am sorry, i could not get back to you on this in time. > It came at such a short notice when i am having a crammed up schedule, > exams and i can't just figure out when i have a free time. > Is there a way i can contribute virtually? > If yes, then i hope i could join in after my exams on the 22nd > January, if you send me the links. > > Peace, > > Ken Owino > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Andrius Kulikauskas > *To:* Kennedy Owino ; Franz Nahrada > > *Sent:* Thu, January 14, 2010 4:18:14 PM > *Subject:* Kennedy, might you attend Franz's video communications workshop > > Hi Kennedy, How are you? I understand that you are in Denmark with > your wife. What is your status in the European Union? Perhaps it might > be possible for you to attend Franz Nahrada's video communications > workshop in Vienna, Austria that starts this Sunday, from January 17 > to 28. A spot opened up and it covers travel, room and board. I send > you more information, please reply soon. I add questions you'll need > to answer. Andrius Kulikauskas, ms at ms.lt , > http://www.ms.lt > ---------------------------------------- > > > > http://www.dorfwiki.org/wiki.cgi?VideoBridge/GrundtvigWorkshop > http://www.dorfwiki.org/wiki.cgi?VideoBridge/GrundtvigWorkshop/ParticipantsProfile > http://www.dorfwiki.org/wiki.cgi?VideoBridge/GrundtvigWorkshop/LearnerRegistrationFormDownload > > > Title of the Workshop SIntegration through treaming, Sharing. Learning ? > The options for and the use of interactive video over long distances in > adult educationsports ? intercultural sports > Host institution context ? intercultural learningGIVE > Forschungsgesellschaft (Globally Integrated Village Environment, > Laboratory for Global Villages > Dates of the Workshop 18th ? 24th 27th of February January 2010 (arrival > 17th departure 28th) > > II - Identification of the candidate learner > > II.1. Contact details > > > Title (M/Ms/Mrs) First name > Family name > Address > Postcode ? ?City > Country > Telephone 1 Telephone 2 > Mobile Fax > E-mail address > Website / Page > Skype handle > Other > > II.1. Other information > > > Date of birth > Nationality > Occupation (if applicable). If retired / unemployed: what former job did > you do? > Special requirements for travels and/or during the stay (mobility, > dietary, medical, etc?) > Experience with former international activities > Motivation to participate in this workshop > Languages spoken > Languages understood > Other information you would like to mention > > > > > II.3 Other questions (to be customised by the Workshop Organiser if > needed) > > > Experience with teaching and technology, skills and subjects that you can > contribute in the workshopWhat?s your experience in working with migrants? > > > Learning needs, what you would like to pursue with others, questions that > you want to answer for yourself in this workshopWhich are the main > activities of your sport organisation? > > > The field where you would possibly apply what you have learned, what type > of community, what type of institutional background, what type of network > > > What are your learning needs for this workshop? > > > I have read the participants profile at > www.videobridge.at/ParticipantsProfile > > Name/contact of sport organisation > > > > > - > From f.nahrada at reflex.at Thu Jan 21 07:10:44 2010 From: f.nahrada at reflex.at (Franz Nahrada) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 07:10:44 +0100 Subject: [VBbuilders] some urgent local issues during the workshop Message-ID: Our ambitions to make our process available to the wider circle needs some work that I cannot do alone but hope to share with others. I started a wiki page http://www.dorfwiki.org/wiki.cgi?VideoBridge/GrundtvigWorkshop/UrgentIssues could be used by everybody. Seems electronic communication is the best way to reach out. Franz From pitlik at miau.gau.hu Thu Jan 21 18:54:40 2010 From: pitlik at miau.gau.hu (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Pitlik_L=E1szl=F3?=) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 18:54:40 +0100 Subject: [VBbuilders] new statment from Hungary Message-ID: <4B5894E0.5040303@miau.gau.hu> Dear All! It is a great pleasure for me, to be joined to the workshop in Vienna at least in this virtual way. My new reflections (c.f. sequels) can be downloaded again here: http://miau.gau.hu/tki/ssl1.docx Have a nice and successful time in Vienna! Best regards Laszlo Pitlik __________ ESET NOD32 Antivirus - V?rusdefin?ci?s adatb?zis: 4785 (20100119) __________ Az ?zenetet az ESET NOD32 Antivirus ellen?rizte. http://www.eset.hu From f.nahrada at reflex.at Fri Jan 22 00:36:53 2010 From: f.nahrada at reflex.at (Franz Nahrada) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 00:36:53 +0100 Subject: [VBbuilders] Pattern Theory Presentation Baumgartnerand Bauer Message-ID: Dear all, here is yesterdays pattern theory presentation. plus: The video of today is already online in the diary. http://www.dorfwiki.org/wiki.cgi?VideoBridge/GrundtvigWorkshop/Diary Franz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Have you any experience recording from Skype for > your videobridges can you suggest any solutions? > > Many Thanks > > Best > > Kevin Flanagan > Kevin, great question. I'd like to learn how to record Skype video as well. I'm writing from Franz Nahrada's video communications seminar in Vienna, Austria and I hope we can figure this out in the coming days. Andrius Andrius Kulikauskas Minciu Sodas http://www.ms.lt ms at ms.lt From f.nahrada at reflex.at Sat Jan 23 06:50:11 2010 From: f.nahrada at reflex.at (Franz Nahrada) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 06:50:11 +0100 Subject: [VBbuilders] gestern / yesterday In-Reply-To: <29cddfe11001221138j17c68b14ucd9d7bee47dd0b34@mail.gmail.com> References: <29cddfe11001221138j17c68b14ucd9d7bee47dd0b34@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: first version of report online. Thanks again to all who contributed! http://www.dorfwiki.org/wiki.cgi?VideoBridge/GrundtvigWorkshop/Diary#section6 inputs welcome! Franz From ravenwyn at gmail.com Sat Jan 23 10:49:15 2010 From: ravenwyn at gmail.com (Mark Petz) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 10:49:15 +0100 Subject: [VBbuilders] Recording Skype Video In-Reply-To: <4B5A1739.1090000@ms.lt> References: <8356e0091001221316t329f0b1ey445e7876a804d339@mail.gmail.com> <4B5A1739.1090000@ms.lt> Message-ID: Hope so too. maybe Niki can help? , he was the hacker wizz with hardwarre and software m On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 10:23 PM, Andrius Kulikauskas wrote: > Kevin Flanagan wrote: > >> Hello Andrius, >> >> I proposed to Michel Bauwens of the P2pfoundation that I would edit >> some video for the blog of interviews via Skype. I came across >> vodburner but as far as I know Skype does not do 3 way conference >> calls with video. This would be ideal as Michel could conduct the >> interview and I could be silent as a 3rd party and record it to my >> system for editing. Have you any experience recording from Skype for >> your videobridges can you suggest any solutions? >> >> Many Thanks >> >> Best >> >> Kevin Flanagan >> >> > > Kevin, great question. I'd like to learn how to record Skype video as > well. I'm writing from Franz Nahrada's video communications seminar in > Vienna, Austria and I hope we can figure this out in the coming days. > > Andrius > > Andrius Kulikauskas > Minciu Sodas > http://www.ms.lt > ms at ms.lt > > _______________________________________________ > Videobridgebuilders mailing list > Videobridgebuilders at globalvillages.org > http://globalvillages.org/mailman/listinfo/videobridgebuilders > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From pitlik at miau.gau.hu Sun Jan 24 09:59:43 2010 From: pitlik at miau.gau.hu (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pitlik_L=E1szl=F3?=) Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 09:59:43 +0100 Subject: [VBbuilders] gestern / yesterday In-Reply-To: References: <29cddfe11001221138j17c68b14ucd9d7bee47dd0b34@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B5C0BFF.6050507@miau.gau.hu> New reflections from Hungary... http://miau.gau.hu/tki/ssl1.docx (Thank You very much for the special but relevant keyword: Plato!) __________ ESET NOD32 Antivirus - V?rusdefin?ci?s adatb?zis: 4785 (20100119) __________ Az ?zenetet az ESET NOD32 Antivirus ellen?rizte. http://www.eset.hu From ms at ms.lt Sun Jan 24 13:03:54 2010 From: ms at ms.lt (Andrius Kulikauskas) Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 13:03:54 +0100 Subject: [VBbuilders] ***SPAM*** Re: Great initiative in Wien In-Reply-To: <195236.34086.qm@web23707.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <195236.34086.qm@web23707.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B5C372A.6090606@ms.lt> Thank you, Agnese, and I share with Franz's new group Video Bridge Builders. Andrius http://globalvillages.org/mailman/listinfo/videobridgebuilders Maria Agnese Giraudo wrote: > Dear Andrius, Franz, Janet, > I got from Fred the link of your initiative in Wien. I would like put > you in touch with artists of Rome and Brookling to organize an art > alive performance online bridging Brookling "Gelato Art Salon", Rome > "Kontemporanee Art Space") and other towns around the word. Please > read the email I have sent to MS lab. > All the best! Congratulations! > Maria Agnese > > - Messaggio inoltrato ----- > *Da:* Maria Agnese Giraudo > *A:* Steve Owino ; joel kirambo > *Cc:* CARLO VALERIO PALMISANO ; > gisellasorrentino at gmail.com > *Inviato:* Sab 16 gennaio 2010, 19:52:15 > *Oggetto:* I: Back for strengthen collaboration > > I would like to inform you that the artistic event ARTevereWorld09, > promoted by 00153 Kreazioni Kontemporanee Art Space with Gelato! Art > Salon of Brooklyn, NY, took place from 16th to 21st December 2009. > The artists would like to organize next year a more relevant event > in Rome and are interested in contacts with artists to develop > international network > Please contact: > Carlo Palmisano of 00153 Kreazioni > Kontemporanee Art Space www.00153online.com > Gelato! Art Salon of Brooklyn, NY > http://gelatoartsalon.wordpress.com/ Tomorrow I'll meet Gisella > Sorrentino and perhaps also Carlo Palmisano I would like to put them > in touch with you and present your artistic production in Nairobi. > http://ghettoartscollective.webs.com/apps/photos/album?albumid=1169308 > Love > Maria Agnese > > > > > > > __._,_.___ > > > Please note our rule: Each letter sent to this group enters the Public > Domain unless it explicitly states otherwise. > http://www.ethicalpublicdomain.org > > > > Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional > Change settings via the Web > > (Yahoo! ID required) > Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest > > | Switch to Fully Featured > > > Visit Your Group > > | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | > Unsubscribe > > > __,_._,___ From ralf at zoo.priv.at Mon Jan 25 11:20:43 2010 From: ralf at zoo.priv.at (Ralf Schlatterbeck) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 11:20:43 +0100 Subject: [VBbuilders] Recording Skype Video In-Reply-To: References: <8356e0091001221316t329f0b1ey445e7876a804d339@mail.gmail.com> <4B5A1739.1090000@ms.lt> Message-ID: <20100125102043.GC15322@priv.zoo> The open source telephony software Asterisk has recently grown a Skype channel (which is not free but needs to be purchased from Digium). Since Asterisk can record phone (and conference) calls, this makes it possible to record skype calls. The setup is non-trivial, however. If someone wants to go that route I can help. Ralf On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 10:49:15AM +0100, Mark Petz wrote: > Hope so too. > > maybe Niki can help? > > , > > he was the hacker wizz with hardwarre and software > > m > > On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 10:23 PM, Andrius Kulikauskas wrote: > > > Kevin Flanagan wrote: > > > >> Hello Andrius, > >> > >> I proposed to Michel Bauwens of the P2pfoundation that I would edit > >> some video for the blog of interviews via Skype. I came across > >> vodburner but as far as I know Skype does not do 3 way conference > >> calls with video. This would be ideal as Michel could conduct the > >> interview and I could be silent as a 3rd party and record it to my > >> system for editing. Have you any experience recording from Skype for > >> your videobridges can you suggest any solutions? > >> > >> Many Thanks > >> > >> Best > >> > >> Kevin Flanagan > >> > >> > > > > Kevin, great question. I'd like to learn how to record Skype video as > > well. I'm writing from Franz Nahrada's video communications seminar in > > Vienna, Austria and I hope we can figure this out in the coming days. > > > > Andrius > > > > Andrius Kulikauskas > > Minciu Sodas > > http://www.ms.lt > > ms at ms.lt > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Videobridgebuilders mailing list > > Videobridgebuilders at globalvillages.org > > http://globalvillages.org/mailman/listinfo/videobridgebuilders > > > _______________________________________________ > Videobridgebuilders mailing list > Videobridgebuilders at globalvillages.org > http://globalvillages.org/mailman/listinfo/videobridgebuilders -- Ralf Schlatterbeck email: ralf at zoo.priv.at FAX: +43/2243/26465/23 From ms at ms.lt Mon Jan 25 13:00:55 2010 From: ms at ms.lt (Andrius Kulikauskas) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 13:00:55 +0100 Subject: [VBbuilders] Thank you, Sasha, for My Video Story Message-ID: <4B5D87F7.1060507@ms.lt> Sasha Mrkailo, Thank you for your work to collect about 80 "video stories" from the Internet. http://www.dorfwiki.org/wiki.cgi?VideoBridge/MyVideoStory This was very helpful for Franz Nahrada's video communications seminar which we're attending here on January 17-28, 2010 in Vienna, Austria. Franz provided Minciu Sodas with $100 of his personal money for this project and I have sent this all to you. He's very happy with your work and we look forward to more such projects. Sasha lives in Serbia and is Minciu Sodas's most experienced online assistant. I looked over a few dozen of the video bridge stories and notice four different kinds of group dynamics: * "Expert" One or more experts lecture (or are interviewed) to people in one or more locations. * "Strangers" Two very different groups of people get to know each other. * "Friends" Two groups of people with a similar interest share experiences. * "Family" Two or more groups come together for an activity (meal, fellowship, song, worship, etc.) as one whole. Video bridging is not just video communications, but typically group to group interaction by which we appreciate each group's dynamics and even create a new dynamic for all of us together. The different kinds of group dynamics are optimized, cultivated by different "patterns" which we're working to identify. Recognizing these group dynamics and the patterns they build on allow us to consider more complicated dynamics as well. For example, the video bridge we do today will involve all four modes, because in some sense we are "strangers" (we've never met and we may be quite different), but we are "friends" in that we have a shared interest (video bridging), and some of us will give short presentations as "experts" and also we look forward to working towards a shared community or "family" of video bridge builders. http://globalvillages.org/mailman/listinfo/videobridgebuilders Join us today (Monday, January 25, 2010) for chat (starting 12:00 New York, 17:00 London, 18:00 Vienna, 20:00 Nairobi) and also for Video Skype two hours later. Sasha, your research gave us the stories, the empirical data that allowed us to sketch a theory of video bridge group dynamics and related patterns. Thank you! This is very much the kind of research that I dream of for Minciu Sodas, WorkNets and our culture of investigation. Andrius Andrius Kulikauskas Minciu Sodas http://www.ms.lt ms at ms.lt +370 699 30003 From ravenwyn at gmail.com Tue Jan 26 15:47:22 2010 From: ravenwyn at gmail.com (Mark Petz) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 15:47:22 +0100 Subject: [VBbuilders] Citizendium Message-ID: Another wiki that can be intersting for seeing the debates around content. http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/CZ:FAQ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ms at ms.lt Wed Jan 27 12:08:22 2010 From: ms at ms.lt (ms at ms.lt) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 13:08:22 +0200 (EET) Subject: [VBbuilders] Questions about our Values, investigations, endeavors, dreams Message-ID: <30025.62.116.104.94.1264590502.squirrel@pastas.elnet.lt> Hi! I invite you to answer the questions below, and if you send me (ms at ms.lt) your answers, I will post them at the Worknets wiki, in the Public Domain. http://www.worknets.org http://www.worknets.org/wiki.cgi?Values http://www.worknets.org/wiki.cgi?Endeavors http://www.worknets.org/wiki.cgi?Dream Do you have a deepest value, which includes all of your other values? What is a question that you don't know the answer to, which you wish to answer? What would you like to achieve? What is your dream-in-life? (What would you do if you were free to choose?) I look forward to your answers and working together! Andrius Andrius Kulikauskas Minciu Sodas http://www.ms.lt ms at ms.lt +37069930003 From ravenwyn at gmail.com Wed Jan 27 21:50:09 2010 From: ravenwyn at gmail.com (Mark Petz) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:50:09 +0100 Subject: [VBbuilders] Fwd: Nyt Europa mentioned here and seeks editors! Message-ID: hi all Please feel free to forward soren s request for editors etc. markus ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: S?ren Winther Lundby Date: Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 6:35 PM Subject: RE: Nyt Europa mentioned here To: Markus Petz Hi Mark, Thanks a lot for that one - I have just seen the video.. ;-) I you happen to know students or others that wold like to become an editor on GC, please let me know. http://www.globalcitizen.net/_Team.aspx ;-) S* Med venlig hilsen / Best regards *S?ren Winther Lundby* Adm. leder / Managing Director Nyt Europe / New Europe J.P. Larsens Vej 18 8220 Brabrand DENMARK t: 0045 70 22 60 64 m: 0045 40 27 60 64 www.neweurope.org www.nyteuropa.org *EN:* New Europe wishes to establish itself as an effective European network that can act as an inspiration to political parties in Europe. New Europe intends to gather all forces to prepare concrete proposals for political action in the EU and elsewhere in the world. New Europe works across political party lines but is based on a centre-left political foundation. Anyone who is interested can become a member via our website. *DA*: Nyt Europa ?nsker at sl? rod som et egentligt europ?isk netv?rk, der kan virke som en stadig inspiration for Europas etablerede partier. Nyt Europa er en organisation som har til hensigt at samle alle gode kr?fter i arbejdet med at udforme konkrete forslag til politisk handling i EU. Nyt Europa arbejder p? tv?rs af politiske partier, men hviler p? et centrum-venstre-politisk grundlag. Alle interesserede kan blive medlem via Nyt Europas webside. Det koster 100,- for studerende og pensionister og 200,- for andre. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 17:43:15 +0100 Subject: Nyt Europa mentioned here From: ravenwyn at gmail.com To: soren at nyteuropa.org Hi S?ren The workshop here is wrapping up. As part of this we all were asked to record pieces to camera. My piece is here and has been edited, so all details are not there (someone has edited the stuff down re Nyt Europa so you only get a brief mention): If you want from 3.28 you will see what I said that has been left in: http://www.dorfwiki.org/wiki.cgi?VideoBridge/GrundtvigWorkshop/Diary/26-1-2010 THE Polish thing is about e-democracy where they want to put systems in place to bring the regional government to the local people. Something that could also happen at a European level. YOU can see more about the NGO that is leading here: ' http://www.i-coin.net/Partners/Poland/Cities-on-Internet-Association.html and the participant we had here was Jakub: http://www.dorfwiki.org/wiki.cgi?VideoBridge/GrundtvigWorkshop/Participants/JakubStaniewicz We hope for a follow up in Greece in the Summer. And now have a NING being used to support videoBridging where-ever in the summer. Hopefully we will have 2 sorts there: Social ENgineers and also Technically minded folks. A couple from each practising organization. Ciaokka! Markus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ms at ms.lt Fri Jan 29 12:13:33 2010 From: ms at ms.lt (Andrius Kulikauskas) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 12:13:33 +0100 Subject: [VBbuilders] Andrius's drawings Message-ID: <4B62C2DD.4030907@ms.lt> Hi Giuseppe, Annette, Barry and all! I've uploaded my drawings: http://www.flickr.com/photos/50525222 at N00/ I've enjoyed drawing us, thank you! Barry, thank you for advising me to call my father to tell him that I love him. Yesterday I wasn't able to call him, but I did send an SMS and he replied likewise. I'll keep your advice in mind in the future. Thank you! I also resend my letter below. Andrius ---------------- Hi! I invite you to answer the questions below, and if you send me (ms at ms.lt) your answers, I will post them at the Worknets wiki, in the Public Domain. http://www.worknets.org http://www.worknets.org/wiki.cgi?Values http://www.worknets.org/wiki.cgi?Endeavors http://www.worknets.org/wiki.cgi?Dream Do you have a deepest value, which includes all of your other values? What is a question that you don't know the answer to, which you wish to answer? What would you like to achieve? What is your dream-in-life? (What would you do if you were free to choose?) I look forward to your answers and working together! Andrius Andrius Kulikauskas Minciu Sodas http://www.ms.lt ms at ms.lt +37069930003 From S.D.Thompson at tees.ac.uk Fri Jan 29 12:49:51 2010 From: S.D.Thompson at tees.ac.uk (Thompson, Steve) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 11:49:51 +0000 Subject: [VBbuilders] travel expenses Message-ID: <91B61ED273D46E4589DA358ABD11872DF515EC38E9@HOLLYCLUSTER.windows.tees.ac.uk> has anyone had travel expenses turn up in their bank account yet because it hasn't done so into my account yet Steve Thompson Community Media Manager Institute of Digital Innovation Teesside University M - 07795 826953 E - s.d.thompson at tees.ac.uk W - www.steve-thompson.org.uk From f.nahrada at reflex.at Fri Jan 29 12:53:11 2010 From: f.nahrada at reflex.at (Franz Nahrada) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 12:53:11 +0100 Subject: [VBbuilders] travel expenses In-Reply-To: <91B61ED273D46E4589DA358ABD11872DF515EC38E9@HOLLYCLUSTER.windows.tees.ac.uk> References: <91B61ED273D46E4589DA358ABD11872DF515EC38E9@HOLLYCLUSTER.windows.tees.ac.uk> Message-ID: "Thompson, Steve" schreibt: >has anyone had travel expenses turn up in their bank account yet because >it hasn't done so into my account yet no we will do this latest by the beginning of next week. Franz From S.D.Thompson at tees.ac.uk Sun Jan 31 17:12:40 2010 From: S.D.Thompson at tees.ac.uk (Thompson, Steve) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 16:12:40 +0000 Subject: [VBbuilders] A Winters day Message-ID: <91B61ED273D46E4589DA358ABD11872DF523A66E36@HOLLYCLUSTER.windows.tees.ac.uk> Hello All Hope everyone got home or to their next destination OK Here is the song and the picture I shared with you on our final night http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsksVKBxUo0 Steve T From p.turner at ruralnet.org.uk Sun Jan 31 17:54:14 2010 From: p.turner at ruralnet.org.uk (Phil Turner) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 16:54:14 GMT Subject: [VBbuilders] A Winters day In-Reply-To: <91B61ED273D46E4589DA358ABD11872DF523A66E36@HOLLYCLUSTER.windows.tees.ac.uk> References: <91B61ED273D46E4589DA358ABD11872DF523A66E36@HOLLYCLUSTER.windows.tees.ac.uk> Message-ID: Steve See my blog on the ning for my tale of woe on the journey home. Hope your computer can cope with the attached 5.3MB in mp4, is the tale of Alma by Tom Lehrer, for that was the Year that was (1966) Phil and the lyric... Last December 13th, there appeared in the newspapers the juiciest, spiciest, raciest obituary that has ever been my pleasure to read. It was that of a lady name Alma Mahler Gropius Werfel who had, in her lifetime, managed to acquire as lovers practically all of the top creative men in central Europe, and, among these lovers, who were listed in the obituary, by the way, which was what made it so interesting, there were three whom she went so far as to marry. One of the leading composers of the day: Gustav Mahler, composer of Das Lied von der Erde and other light classics. One of the leading architects: Walter Gropius of the Bauhaus school of design. And one of the leading writers: Franz Werfel, author of the song of Bernadette and other masterpieces. It's people like that who make you realize how little you've accomplished. It is a sobering thought, for example, that when Mozart was my age he had been dead for two years. It seemed to me, I'm reading this obituary, that the story of Alma was the stuff of which ballads should be made so here is one. The loveliest girl in Vienna Was Alma, the smartest as well. Once you picked her up on your antenna, You'd never be free of her spell. Her lovers were many and varied, >From the day she began her -- beguine. There were three famous ones whom she married, And God knows how many between. Alma, tell us! All modern women are jealous. Which of your magical wands Got you Gustav and Walter and Franz? The first one she married was Mahler, Whose buddies all knew him as Gustav. And each time he saw her he'd holler: "Ach, that is the fraulein I moost have!" Their marriage, however, was murder. He'd scream to the heavens above, "I'm writing Das Lied von der Erde, And she only wants to make love!" Alma, tell us! All modern women are jealous. You should have a statue in bronze For bagging Gustav and Walter and Franz. While married to Gus, she met Gropius, And soon she was swinging with Walter. Gus died, and her tear drops were copious. She cried all the way to the altar. But he would work late at the Bauhaus, And only came home now and then. She said, "What am I running? A chow house? It's time to change partners again." Alma, tell us! All modern women are jealous. Though you didn't even use Ponds, You got Gustav and Walter and Franz. While married to Walt she'd met Werfel, And he too was caught in her net. He married her, but he was carefell, 'Cause Alma was no Bernadette. And that is the story of Alma, Who knew how to receive and to give. The body that reached her embalma' Was one that had known how to live. Alma, tell us! How can they help being jealous? Ducks always envy the swans Who get Gustav and Walter, you never did falter, With Gustav and Walter and Franz. I know some people feel that marriage as an institution is dying out, but I disagree and the point was driven home to me rather forcefully not long ago by a letter I received which said: "Darling, I love you and I cannot live without you. Marry me, or I will kill myself." Well, I was a little disturbed at that until I took another look at the envelope and saw that it was addressed to " "The Occupant...". ENDS -------------- "Thompson, Steve" writes: >Hello All > >Hope everyone got home or to their next destination OK > >Here is the song and the picture I shared with you on our final night > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsksVKBxUo0 > >Steve T >_______________________________________________ >Videobridgebuilders mailing list >Videobridgebuilders at globalvillages.org >http://globalvillages.org/mailman/listinfo/videobridgebuilders > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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